atmosphere acting as a lens, as well as the tilt of the earth. Not a hard one, Steve.

Flat earth can't explain how the Southern Cross acts just like Polaris.

Yes such stupid excuses. You imagine that the atmosphere can perfectly bend light on a Globe to make it look like the earth is FLAT. Yet you ignore that perhaps it really is FLAT.

I didn't ignore that. I ruled it out.

@Steve Angell
when qresearch returns on 8kun,
spend time on the board, pay attention to the posters that promote FE, pay attention to their userids, see what other things they post,

check the old qresearch archvies for plenty of examples of this https://qresear.ch/

with this its easy to see the spooks push FE on the chans.

Wow he did a stupid explanation. So what? Who cares. Why only go to one video where he made a mistake?

A mirage is distorted. Air is constantly moving. Nothing stable about it. To compare moving air to stable unmoving water is such nonsense.

what? that vid is 12 min long you clearly hvnt watched it yet to be judging it,
explain refraction bro? we can all see it in a glass of water as that video demonstrates

stir water in your glass bro

Again just look at your video 6:13. Waves are blocking part of Chicago but much of it is still seen. Far more than possible based on the supposed curve of the Globe. His explanation is that the atmosphere is perfect like unmoving water thus always bends light down. Why? Well he never explains why always down? Strange like he has no clue what is really causing the bend even though he does say temperature gradient. Hmmm. Wait what about that. Would it not matter. What if it is the opposite one day than the previous day? How would that not change it up to down or down to up. And again why this perfect bending of light by air in constant movement. Such nonsense in so many ways.

your ignoring so much about this. its like shouting at a river

thats why most people just ignore flat earthers

Well water is so different than air. Water has a very solid barrier. Air to water. Air has no such barrier. Temperature gradient is not the least bit a strong barrier like water. It fluctuates over the area and is never perfectly level. It can take hundreds or even thousands of feet to come to completion.

You are disputing truth. You are the one shouting nonsense. You want me to believe some very poorly done video where the one doing it has no clue what he is even saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lyqArVvdvo start here, since you don't want to pick for yourself.

All you have watched so far is stuff that doesn't challenge what you believe, Steve. It's easy to believe anything if you do that.

if air has no such barrier why does air resistance burst comets and wear down paint on planes etc

like i said, you ignore so much

Wow oh Wow. Just believe the Globers that Gravity is real. Why? Mass to mass attraction is totally unproven.

Saying it doesn't and proving it doesn't are two different things.

Saying something doesn't prove it.

https://tenor.com/view/imanes-magnets-equilbrio-science-gif-5038566

Comets hit the air. They break apart over many miles. Nothing at all like a plane crashing into the ocean water.

I'm a fame [f][a][g] ya digging me polyester suit?

What are the meteors hitting before they hit land or water to make them break apart, Steve?

Magnets are real. Magnetism is real. That is not gravity which is not real.

I just said. They hit heavier air. The amount of air increases as they go down. It takes numerous miles of air before they break apart. Nothing like a plane crashing straight down into the ocean water.

I lived in Arizona for over ten years. I saw numerous mirages they were very wavy making it look like there were lakes where there was just dry hot land.

That is how mirages work. They could occur over a lake because of temperature. But you would just have your vision blocked. Never would they act like a prism.

I saw, I saw, I saw. That doesn't prove anything. Measurements prove things. I saw just gives a subjective data point, not an objective one.

Think density, phase and surface tension. Liquid and gas are both fluids with different properties.

does north south east west have meaning in a flat earth?

Again how I started this. I saw Norfolk Harbor Inlet from 30 miles away. I saw the shore. I saw a huge ship. Everything seen. Nothing at all blocked by any curve of the water.

There as of yet no valid flat earth model that matches distances between two points on Earth.

Of course North is North. The North Pole. East is East and West is west. We go around the center if we go due east or west and would return to where we started if we did it perfectly.

Look at flight paths. They mostly work far better on the flat earth. Why go way way north and then return way way south and never the opposite?

the model always is incorrect between what the flat earth model says the distance should be, and the actual measured distance, with very few 'stopped clock is right twice a day' instances.

This is shown even more exaggerated below the equator, using north pole as the center of Earth.

Well I will not dispute that measuring distance is no easy task. I will not dispute that making a flat earth map that is perfect is possible with the tiny finances available to us who know it is FLAT. I will go further and state that the UN and every other Government agency on earth will use all their might to make sure no Flat Earther is ever permitted to do that.

Nonsense about governmental preventions. That assertion has no proof, only slapped together accusations.

Really. Does NASA say the earth is FLAT?