@Deleted User I’m not arguing that the distributions are the same however if your goal is to cluster people based on traits then doing so based on race is still sub-optimal. Identification with a tribal identity is primarily done based upon visual differences that are based on relatively few mutations- and is also a dumb way to organize society if your goal is to maximize certain genetic traits.

Literally all the same arguments

You guys should read Madison Grant or Lothrop Stoddard

Yes because you seemed to imply that because the bell curves are different that it somehow changes the calculus

It's not my goal to cluster them...

They are clustered.

It is done already by evolution

You, actually, are trying to ignore it.

okay if your goal is not to select for better traits along the lines of intelligence and temperament then what is it?

Why? Probably conditioning... saw too many star trek movies. Who knows

that doesn't answer my question

I asked if your goal *isn't* to select for better traits along the lines of intelligence and temperament then what is your goal?

Ask me my goal

Ok

The goal is to protect my group, Europeans.

And what we have and what we are

And to make them thrive grow and get better smarter and stronger

why do you want to protect Europeans?

Think of it this way: my race is my nation...it's a simplistic way to say it but should make sense to you

I'm european

What are you?

germanic european

in america

Ok good

So you understand.

I care more about the members of my country than my race

Yes, that's a shame.

however I don't understand why you would protect an umbrella of 'European' when this group contains significant numbers of people with the same genetic standard in terms of intelligence/temperament as that of Africans

Because they are european.

that seems like rather circular logic

No, it's an axiom.

Like the other guy "I care about my country most" that's an axiom

My assertion is that race is more meaningful.

because of genetics, no?

Than legal territory

Unless they are one and the same

Because of everything I said race is earlier

I don't like dumb people in my race, just like the other guy doesn't like dumb people in his country..... But I hold race higher than country

why is race higher than country?

w/e I don't think we're going to agree anyways since we're operating from different principles

Already covered that

I don't seek agreement