Message from @el pebble

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2018-12-10 19:22:21 UTC  

@el pebble God can just give us free will

2018-12-10 19:22:29 UTC  

He isn't bound by our laws of logic

2018-12-10 19:31:10 UTC  

@Doctor Anon that is not a solution to the issue

2018-12-10 19:31:20 UTC  

And you are assuming God's nature

2018-12-10 19:31:30 UTC  

I said can

2018-12-10 19:31:59 UTC  

Being God he can do absolutely everything

2018-12-10 19:32:04 UTC  

It's a null point

2018-12-10 19:32:17 UTC  

Including giving us free will to choose or reject Jesus

2018-12-10 19:32:58 UTC  

@Doctor Anon you are freely choosing the determined path

2018-12-10 19:33:15 UTC  

But it isn't free will as in picking from possible outcomes

2018-12-10 19:33:24 UTC  

Without arbitration

2018-12-10 19:33:32 UTC  

You can change your outcome

2018-12-10 19:33:47 UTC  

Otherwise there is no reason to even try

2018-12-10 19:34:19 UTC  

@Doctor Anon I don't think you're understanding

2018-12-10 19:35:11 UTC  

From what I'm gathering from what you said, wether I enter heaven or hell is already decided for me

2018-12-10 19:35:17 UTC  

And cannot change

2018-12-10 19:35:44 UTC  

The final result will not change

2018-12-10 19:35:54 UTC  

You will always pick the choices that are determined

2018-12-10 19:35:55 UTC  

That idea literally negates religion, and any purpose of spreading it because who cares? We're already decided who is going where

2018-12-10 19:36:27 UTC  

Which is insane

2018-12-10 19:36:44 UTC  

Why is it being determined meaning to negate religion?

2018-12-10 19:37:22 UTC  

Why not spread it even more?

2018-12-10 19:38:22 UTC  

Because people are already destined for hell or heaven

2018-12-10 19:38:47 UTC  

Yes, people who accept the gospel go to heaven and people who reject it go to hell

2018-12-10 19:38:52 UTC  

No one can truly accept or deny Jesus because where they go is already decided

2018-12-10 19:39:20 UTC  

You say decided as if someone plucked souls and put them in decisions

2018-12-10 19:39:23 UTC  

You cannot blame those who reject, because they were predestined to reject him

2018-12-10 19:39:56 UTC  

Those who reject are easily blameable, because of their rejection

2018-12-10 19:40:07 UTC  

They we're predestined to tho

2018-12-10 19:40:15 UTC  

It wasn't their absolute free will to reject

2018-12-10 19:40:37 UTC  

They freely chose the course history will take

2018-12-10 19:41:42 UTC  

If God knows all to happen then there is only one determined timeline

2018-12-10 19:42:05 UTC  

That means every motion and decision is exactly the determined timeline

2018-12-10 19:43:09 UTC  

The determined nature does not justify humans who act the way they do in sin

2018-12-10 19:43:59 UTC  

Because God does not act on the predestination of all souls

2018-12-10 19:47:27 UTC  

The sum of decisions would be the history, God's knowledge facilitates history in all its decisions to be singular and not variable on will

2018-12-10 19:47:59 UTC  

So people's decisions will result exactly as determined

2018-12-10 19:48:03 UTC  

By free choice

2018-12-10 19:48:40 UTC  
2018-12-10 20:00:17 UTC  

Even if events are predetermined then there is room for free will as we are ignorant of the future and any choice we make, even knowing it, is still done in free will however we know the ultimate outcome of our decisions. IMO tha tmakes sense, that or I may be retarded

2018-12-10 20:14:31 UTC  

It makes sense, unless both of us are retarded.