Message from @Doctor Anon

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2018-12-10 19:15:12 UTC  

@Victor Von Doom so free will cannot exist

2018-12-10 19:15:23 UTC  

Because there is no decision free from arbitration

2018-12-10 19:22:21 UTC  

@el pebble God can just give us free will

2018-12-10 19:22:29 UTC  

He isn't bound by our laws of logic

2018-12-10 19:31:10 UTC  

@Doctor Anon that is not a solution to the issue

2018-12-10 19:31:20 UTC  

And you are assuming God's nature

2018-12-10 19:31:30 UTC  

I said can

2018-12-10 19:31:59 UTC  

Being God he can do absolutely everything

2018-12-10 19:32:04 UTC  

It's a null point

2018-12-10 19:32:17 UTC  

Including giving us free will to choose or reject Jesus

2018-12-10 19:32:58 UTC  

@Doctor Anon you are freely choosing the determined path

2018-12-10 19:33:15 UTC  

But it isn't free will as in picking from possible outcomes

2018-12-10 19:33:24 UTC  

Without arbitration

2018-12-10 19:33:32 UTC  

You can change your outcome

2018-12-10 19:33:47 UTC  

Otherwise there is no reason to even try

2018-12-10 19:34:19 UTC  

@Doctor Anon I don't think you're understanding

2018-12-10 19:35:11 UTC  

From what I'm gathering from what you said, wether I enter heaven or hell is already decided for me

2018-12-10 19:35:17 UTC  

And cannot change

2018-12-10 19:35:44 UTC  

The final result will not change

2018-12-10 19:35:54 UTC  

You will always pick the choices that are determined

2018-12-10 19:35:55 UTC  

That idea literally negates religion, and any purpose of spreading it because who cares? We're already decided who is going where

2018-12-10 19:36:27 UTC  

Which is insane

2018-12-10 19:36:44 UTC  

Why is it being determined meaning to negate religion?

2018-12-10 19:37:22 UTC  

Why not spread it even more?

2018-12-10 19:38:22 UTC  

Because people are already destined for hell or heaven

2018-12-10 19:38:47 UTC  

Yes, people who accept the gospel go to heaven and people who reject it go to hell

2018-12-10 19:38:52 UTC  

No one can truly accept or deny Jesus because where they go is already decided

2018-12-10 19:39:20 UTC  

You say decided as if someone plucked souls and put them in decisions

2018-12-10 19:39:23 UTC  

You cannot blame those who reject, because they were predestined to reject him

2018-12-10 19:39:56 UTC  

Those who reject are easily blameable, because of their rejection

2018-12-10 19:40:07 UTC  

They we're predestined to tho

2018-12-10 19:40:15 UTC  

It wasn't their absolute free will to reject

2018-12-10 19:40:37 UTC  

They freely chose the course history will take

2018-12-10 19:41:42 UTC  

If God knows all to happen then there is only one determined timeline

2018-12-10 19:42:05 UTC  

That means every motion and decision is exactly the determined timeline

2018-12-10 19:43:09 UTC  

The determined nature does not justify humans who act the way they do in sin

2018-12-10 19:43:59 UTC  

Because God does not act on the predestination of all souls

2018-12-10 19:47:27 UTC  

The sum of decisions would be the history, God's knowledge facilitates history in all its decisions to be singular and not variable on will

2018-12-10 19:47:59 UTC  

So people's decisions will result exactly as determined

2018-12-10 19:48:03 UTC  

By free choice

2018-12-10 19:48:40 UTC