Message from @Doctor Anon
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Issue is if we assume the omnipiscent god, then he knows what you will do no matter what you choose to do far into the future, in that sense it is determiend. However you are yourself not aware of what is to happen however you will do it anyway. There is a greek tragedy that goes along with this in how the oracle tells a boy he will kill his father, the boy grows up and leaves purposefully to avoid doing this, meeting an old man on the street, a beggar who latches on to im he accidentally kills him, and upon returning home learns that the man he killed was his father.
its that sort of thing, this man knew what was the result but was unable to chage it albeit trying to avoid it he in fact led to the very outcome he tried to avoid. If we choose things each day they set us on a course unless we decide otherwise. Each time we decide otherwise we are set on a new course and as such each decision predetermines a set of conditions we will encounter. With everyone doing this at the same time we are in a way predetermined to do something when we are 80 because of what we did when we are 5 even though these are seemingly unrelated decisions and events. However the nature of being omnipiscent is that of knowing the future as well.
@Bogatyr Bogumir I agree and appreciate the well worded explanation.
they just want to leech off the welfare
@Victor Von Doom so free will cannot exist
Because there is no decision free from arbitration
@el pebble God can just give us free will
He isn't bound by our laws of logic
@Doctor Anon that is not a solution to the issue
And you are assuming God's nature
I said can
Being God he can do absolutely everything
It's a null point
Including giving us free will to choose or reject Jesus
@Doctor Anon you are freely choosing the determined path
But it isn't free will as in picking from possible outcomes
Without arbitration
You can change your outcome
Otherwise there is no reason to even try
@Doctor Anon I don't think you're understanding
And cannot change
The final result will not change
You will always pick the choices that are determined
That idea literally negates religion, and any purpose of spreading it because who cares? We're already decided who is going where
Which is insane
Why is it being determined meaning to negate religion?
Why not spread it even more?
Because people are already destined for hell or heaven
Yes, people who accept the gospel go to heaven and people who reject it go to hell
No one can truly accept or deny Jesus because where they go is already decided
You say decided as if someone plucked souls and put them in decisions
You cannot blame those who reject, because they were predestined to reject him
Those who reject are easily blameable, because of their rejection
They we're predestined to tho
It wasn't their absolute free will to reject
They freely chose the course history will take
If God knows all to happen then there is only one determined timeline
That means every motion and decision is exactly the determined timeline
The determined nature does not justify humans who act the way they do in sin
Because God does not act on the predestination of all souls