but again, without something to make anything evil or good it isn't really morality. Just a subjective concept.

@Obungus but my point is that atheists actually do have something to make anything evil or good

but it isn't objective so it doesn't really matter all that much

So what's objective according to you

If this isn't objective "God's" morals would also be subjective

And again based on reason and science atheists can have morals

You can have a standard that doesn't change

but unless that thing undoubtedly defines good and evil it can not possibly be seen as an objective moral standard

God is an objective moral standard because He is unchanging and the definition of goodness

And where do God's morals come from

His natural attributes

Because he commands it?

no because He is it

His nature is what is good and seeing as God is immutable this means His morality is objective

And you have to listen to It

You don't *have* to

He gives you the option to ignore Him

So what happens if you ignore him

You get punished

Indeed

So you have to follow or else you'll get punished

That makes his moral's arbitrary

Because they're arbitrary it would mean God's morals are subjective

That isn't true at all

How so?

Just because there is a punishment for evil does not mean that good and evil don;t exist

I'm not saying good and evil do not exist

I'm saying that based off your logic god's morals would be subjective

And I am saying you are wrong because your argument doesn't make sense

How does it not make sense?

Morality is not a decision made by God it is based on how His nature

so it can not be arbitrary because it is His natural attributes that morality is based on

According to what religion

Christianity

So you mean that you get your morals from the Bible

We get our morals from God and that morality is communicated through the bible

the morality exists with or without the bible

But in general you get them from the Bible

no

We get them from God

who communicated them through the bible