Message from @Obungus

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2018-12-12 16:16:49 UTC  

I don't assume it is

2018-12-12 16:17:01 UTC  

I have a lot of reasons to believe it is

2018-12-12 16:17:24 UTC  

The Bible is subjective because the morals communicated through the Bible change constantly and contradict in the Bible

2018-12-12 16:17:53 UTC  

For example the "thou shalt not kill"

2018-12-12 16:18:39 UTC  

That isn't true

2018-12-12 16:18:53 UTC  

That refers to unjust killing

2018-12-12 16:19:04 UTC  

Where in the Bible itself it is okay to kill non believers or disobedient children

2018-12-12 16:19:07 UTC  

God never said it was wrong to take a guilty life

2018-12-12 16:19:42 UTC  

Heretics improperly practicing Christianity does not mean God contradicts Himself

2018-12-12 16:20:37 UTC  

According to the Bible disobedient children are guilty

2018-12-12 16:20:45 UTC  

And so they were

2018-12-12 16:21:09 UTC  

So they get killed

2018-12-12 16:21:28 UTC  

And it is okay according to the Bible

2018-12-12 16:21:39 UTC  

Only if they laid hands on their parents iirc

2018-12-12 16:23:22 UTC  

Whatever they did it is still a contradiction to the thou shalt not kill moral

2018-12-12 16:23:34 UTC  

but it isn't

2018-12-12 16:23:46 UTC  

God has never condemned the killing of an innocent person

2018-12-12 16:23:59 UTC  

Thou shalt not kill is referring to murder

2018-12-12 16:24:56 UTC  

Genesis 9:6 King James Version (KJV)

6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

2018-12-12 16:24:56 UTC  

**Genesis 9:6 - King James Version (KJV)**

```Dust


<6> Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. ```

2018-12-12 16:25:16 UTC  

The punishment for shedding the blood of a man is to shed their own blood

2018-12-12 16:25:23 UTC  

death penalty for murderers

2018-12-12 16:25:27 UTC  

an eye for an eye

2018-12-12 16:25:44 UTC  

God has never implied that people who are guilty should not be executed

2018-12-12 16:27:07 UTC  

@Obungus how about the case of rape then

2018-12-12 16:27:16 UTC  

what about it?

2018-12-12 16:27:38 UTC  

Are you talking about where the rape victim can be punished for not screaming?

2018-12-12 16:27:48 UTC  

No

2018-12-12 16:28:42 UTC  

About how it is okay to rape people if they're virgin's and are prisoners of war

2018-12-12 16:28:54 UTC  

And forcing them to marry you

2018-12-12 16:29:09 UTC  

Could you give me the verse?

2018-12-12 16:30:58 UTC  

Deuteronomy 21:10-25:19 Good News Translation (GNT)

Concerning Women Prisoners of War

10 “When the Lord your God gives you victory in battle and you take prisoners, 11 you may see among them a beautiful woman that you like and want to marry. 12 Take her to your home, where she will shave her head,[a] cut her fingernails, 13 and change her clothes. She is to stay in your home and mourn for her parents for a month; after that, you may marry her.

2018-12-12 16:30:58 UTC  

**Deuteronomy 21:10-23 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust
Female Captives / The Right of the Firstborn / Rebellious Children / Miscellaneous Laws

<10> When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God hands them over to you and you take them captive, <11> suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman whom you desire and want to marry, <12> and so you bring her home to your house: she shall shave her head, pare her nails, <13> discard her captive's garb, and shall remain in your house a full month, mourning for her father and mother; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. <14> But if you are not satisfied with her, you shall let her go free and not sell her for money. You must not treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her. <15> If a man has two wives, one of them loved and the other disliked, and if both the loved and the disliked have borne him sons, the firstborn being the son of the one who is disliked, <16> then on the day when he wills his possessions to his sons, he is not permitted to treat the son of the loved as the firstborn in preference to the son of the disliked, who is the firstborn. <17> He must acknowledge as```

2018-12-12 16:30:58 UTC  

```Dust
firstborn the son of the one who is disliked, giving him a double portion of all that he has; since he is the first issue of his virility, the right of the firstborn is his. <18> If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, <19> then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his town at the gate of that place. <20> They shall say to the elders of his town, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard." <21> Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. So you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel will hear, and be afraid. <22> When someone is convicted of a crime punishable by death and is executed, and you hang him on a tree, <23> his corpse must not remain all night upon the tree; you shall bury him that same day, for anyone hung on a tree is under God's curse. You must not defile the land that the Lord your God is giving you for possession. ```

2018-12-12 16:33:27 UTC  

If we look at the context

2018-12-12 16:33:37 UTC  

this is actually a punishment for the man

2018-12-12 16:33:54 UTC  

as it is about making a man marry a woman who he "went into"

2018-12-12 16:34:11 UTC  

@Obungus Are you a catholic or an orthodox christian?

2018-12-12 16:34:14 UTC  

Or a protestant?

2018-12-12 16:34:19 UTC  

I am a protard