Message from @MinecraftMemer

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2018-12-27 00:06:38 UTC  

"helplessness as forgiveness"

2018-12-27 00:06:55 UTC  

I found that from Nietzsche.

2018-12-27 00:06:58 UTC  

jewish texts teach that?

2018-12-27 00:07:36 UTC  

does nietzche give an example?

2018-12-27 00:07:43 UTC  

So in a Christian text, strongly inspired by Jewish beliefs.

2018-12-27 00:07:56 UTC  

looks like it's not there

2018-12-27 00:08:07 UTC  

hence you're jumping to christianity

2018-12-27 00:08:10 UTC  

In Luke 6:27 “But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, "

2018-12-27 00:08:14 UTC  

nietzche probably meant

2018-12-27 00:08:15 UTC  

yeah

2018-12-27 00:08:17 UTC  

christianity

2018-12-27 00:08:24 UTC  

not "ancient jewish texts"

2018-12-27 00:08:27 UTC  

as you wanted to frame it

2018-12-27 00:09:03 UTC  

it's the opposite of what's in tanach and the talmud

2018-12-27 00:09:23 UTC  

Okay, what does it say in the Jewish texts?

2018-12-27 00:10:04 UTC  

torah talks about "eye for an eye", talmud teaches "if your enemy comes to kill you, get up early and kill him first"

2018-12-27 00:10:21 UTC  

I know about the eye for an eye Exodus 21:24

2018-12-27 00:10:47 UTC  

Where in the Talmud does it say "the get up early" thing?

2018-12-27 00:11:01 UTC  

I don't know the exact coordinates

2018-12-27 00:11:15 UTC  

it's the one line I know from the talmud

2018-12-27 00:12:03 UTC  

First, I want to establish, do you think the Jews were right or the Christians?

2018-12-27 00:12:10 UTC  

jews

2018-12-27 00:12:17 UTC  

except

2018-12-27 00:12:21 UTC  

the "eye for an eye"

2018-12-27 00:12:30 UTC  

I agree with the talmudic statement

2018-12-27 00:13:23 UTC  

I found the full text in the talmud: http://www.come-and-hear.com/berakoth/berakoth_58.html

2018-12-27 00:13:49 UTC  

Thank you, I enjoy reading works of fiction.

2018-12-27 00:13:51 UTC  

" He said: This man is a persecutor, and the Torah has said: If a man comes to kill you, rise early and kill him first.18 "

2018-12-27 00:14:08 UTC  

talmud barely includes any narrative

2018-12-27 00:14:18 UTC  

I agree with that.

2018-12-27 00:14:25 UTC  

it's nonfiction by definition

2018-12-27 00:15:04 UTC  

Alright, it's a nonfiction philosophical work.

2018-12-27 00:15:12 UTC  

most of it is commentary

2018-12-27 00:15:23 UTC  

there is some narrative there

2018-12-27 00:15:31 UTC  

that has been passed down as "oral law"

2018-12-27 00:15:37 UTC  

which you can calim is fiction

2018-12-27 00:15:39 UTC  

I don't care

2018-12-27 00:16:39 UTC  

So, I am not very familiar with the Jewish religion specifically, I am much more familiar with it's derivatives: Christianity and Islam.

2018-12-27 00:16:45 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516711835857059867/527640948474380288/Yknow.jpg

2018-12-27 00:16:54 UTC  

Wut?

2018-12-27 00:16:57 UTC  

then why go on your rants about "ancient Jewish texts"