Not since the castration of Germany post-war and the unification of the Rhines steel and coal

That being said however, Europe has no future as a relevant region if it does not stay unified at least loosely. If Europe is to shake the influence of the Chinese silk-belt road project

@Deleted User anti-meme European league

Aye, it was an independence well earned.

I do agree that Europe needs some sense of unity economically, I've heard it argued that Europe as a whole is losing it's global clout.

And of course the Chinese are drowning everyone.

@Doctor Anon Yes it'll go with a simpler however.

The EU will fall. It’s problem is trying to make everyone and everything the same. The various cultures and people of Europe still have separate identities and visions of an ideal future. They will attempt to be more forceful as their unity crumbles, but in the end, the center will not hold. Europeans will be free again. One day.

@Alex D_rizzle seems to not have noticed that Italy put together a government and that most governments in Europe take a while to form unless their is a solid majority power broker who holds all the cards and can deal with some of the smaller parties.
Voted pro-Brexit, and proudly get called a racist for it. Because it's fucking comical to hear people think that leaving a political union is racism, then see the same people turn round and support Catalonia's attempt at leaving Spain.

@NullJager my bad, it did take quite a while for the Italian government to form though.

Yeah, it takes quite a while for a few governments to form in Europe.

And anyway, the EU is a dead man walking.

A lot of people seem to be wising up to the fact that this time Germany didn't invade. They just have a receipt.

I think the EU will last at least another 5-10 years if not much more @NullJager

5-10 years in the history of a nation and politics is not long at all.

I suspect it may be more like another 20 years

Right now there is no other alternative

There is, independence.

That means diminshed relevance in the global political economy

It's just not viable

And I hate the EU

Their relevance is already diminished by the EU.

I am speaking of the relevance of Europe

As a bloq the continent has more power

This is a political fact

I do agree that the member States should have greater power and I want greater sovereignty

But I think the EU just needs to reform, not dissolve.

Reformation of such an organisation will not work unless it is changed completely, beyond recognition.

And any reformation that is led by the EU, not the nations, will be towards federalisation. Which, if done correctly, where the nations are all left to their own devices and laws as the US was envisioned then it may work.

But, independence of the nations is still better than that in my eyes

From the eyes of a global politics student, I just know for a fact that despite my best wishes for Euro indepedence. The EU is currently the best thing the continent has going.

It is unavoidable because the people have turned against globalism. First England then Italy.

@Alex D_rizzle why do you think the EU is the best thing going on right now?

Name a feasible alternative that will maintain the remaining amount of clout has in global politics

Is the clout worth it? I’m skeptical. The price is too high.

What clout

They treat america unfairly

I think that if we want to avoid wars we should have fair trade not free trade

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