Thats beyond opposition

An entirely new country formed because of lincoln

Does that make him bad?

I would argue that it was because of Taylor

You could argue a lot

He refused to handle the situation properly during the lame duck period

As to whys secession was a consideration

I know why, Its the jews.

However lincoln being elected is what triggered secession

Right, but Taylor could have done anything to stop it

And he refused to

That's indirect

Furthermore, it's still hotly debated if states have the actual right to leave the union- all we can say for sure is that they entered a state of rebellion

States do not have the right to leave the union.

That's a separate issue

I think the precedent for that was very clearly set.

Many countries explicitly state in their constitutions it is illegal to secede.

I would tend to agree

Otherwise it's an unwritten rule and in America's case there is a precedent for it.

There is no clearly defined law about secession

And?

America's legal system is common law.

if a state secedes just nuke it

don't forget that you most likely have a few silos there

That's ridiculous

They're still Americans

@Josh42A The best president was John Tyler because he btfo'd Congress, worst is Drumpf because he deports mexicans.

Trump isn't *that* bad

@Obungus Unless the state has a constitution, it is an anarchic state full of barbarians.

That just isn't true

And even if it does it poses a threat to national security

It's in the Declaration of the Rights of Man

So does nuking one of our own states

It's not our own state if it secedes.

I agree that secession shouldn't be toelrated

But nuking them is not the solution

Would it work?

Maybe

But that should be a last option

@Deleted User blow jobs are better than congress

agree ^