Normally I’d say no to mandatory government programs, but Vaccines are a huge benefit to society. It’s critical to the eradication of certain disease.

Now it's pretty much a myth and I think there's around 10 people using iron lungs now

diseases that we haven't had to worry about in decades are coming back because of that hasbeen model and that quack doctor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gplA6pq9cOs

Well, that's partly true, germs adapt and they are becoming more powerful as we still use drugs for everything

Now that lets to another question

Could we use viruses to fight diseases once vaccines become useless?

actually the biggest concern is overuse on our livestock

iirc 80% of antibiotics are used in livestock

And then it goes to our foods and so on

yep

what we really need to tackle is factory farming, thats our achilles heel

@Da_Fish I think compulsory anything chemical being put into you is bad

Please do not ping me

That's the motherload of honeypots for baddies

for QOTD answers

Oh ok sorry

The only bigger honeypots I can think of are in communism and ancapitalism

how is it a honeypot?

pleasure from seeing both sides fighting I guess?

Tribalism?

idk, it just doesn't make any sense to me to refer to vaccines as a honeypot to me

Create a disease that infects and wipes out harmful bacteria and viruses, yet doesn't harm other cells/life? I see no way that can go wrong.

I can imagine post-antibiotic healthcare similar to "chemo" for different diseases. Of course, most diseases caused by bacteria and viruses are not terminal so treatment for, say, measles would be short-lived and mild compared to cancer. Especially if they can target specifically the measles virus.

Eventually we will have another Alexander Fleming and another penicillin. And then diseases will resist that method to; an eternal arms race until one side gets wiped out. At least, that's the telos of medicine science, to end sickness.

Seems fair

At the end we can't run away from evolution

@Joe Powerhouse What are you referring to when you say "disease that infects and wipes out harmful bacteria and viruses"

I can only assume you must be referring to bacteriophages

Which wouldn't be created, but rather incubated out of nature

"Eventually we will have another Alexander Fleming and another penicillin. And then diseases will resist that method to; an eternal arms race until one side gets wiped out. At least, that's the telos of medicine science, to end sickness."

yes, an eternal arms race which has already been going on ever since life on earth even began

im sure that when humans start using them it will totes make any difference whatsoever lad

as if penicillin ever evolved

Incubating pathogens from nature and genetically modifying them to wipe out other pathogens is what I meant.

I wasn't familiar with phage therapy until now.

Yeah, I don't see any sort of issue with genetically modified pathogens for that purpose. Can you provide some kind of example of such a treatment being used?

Vaccines should be not only be *not* mandatory, we should make vaccine receivers watch what goes into a vaccine every time they get one.

are u stupid

a:yes

excellent argument rebuttal, hanaso