Tesla is a meme

Space colonization is a meme

also I don't think I'll be able to convince you on anything since my views put economics near the bottom of concerns

Electric cars arent though

SPACE FORCE IS A MAYMAY

i've been on both sides of the neolib debate enough times to be pretty secure in my beliefs

@Deleted User what economic system do you advocate for?

Capitalism forces greedy people to help others, while in other systems they can just use force to take what is not theirs.

@21tagtmeiern I literally do not care about the economy, however I would say it would have to slowly shift out of capitalism and into an Organic Economy

I technically see all modern government as corrupted and needing of destruction more than anything, but that's my immediate want for a system I don't support

how does an organic economy differ from capitalism?

Do you mean like this? https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Organic_Economy_Model

@CryptoBlok that is quiet similar, yes

Glad to be of help!

I still think free-market capitalism can better handle the problems this other model claims to address, though.

it obviously depends on the traditions you're talking about

and the kind of economic growth

the 'economic growth' derived from a social media platform like Facebook seems like something that has contributed next to nothing to the wellbeing or further productivity of society at large

Yeah, it could be Islamic traditions or some such thing

or a tradition of shitting on the street

I believe objective morality transcends traditions - not that all traditions should be thrown out, of course, but they need to serve the Good, not just the Old.

lmao okay

what do you think objective morality is, then

My belief is that morality is based on the purpose God created us for.

Doing His will is good, and disobeying is evil/deleterious

right

wait

god's omniscient, right?

One of the things we're supposed to do is help those in need, and raise them up out of bad situations.

@21tagtmeiern Essentially, yes

then aren't people who sin just doing as expected of them

No, they're choosing to not follow the best plan created by God

but god knew that plan wouldn't come to pass

so why would he make it

I'm sorry, I should've been clearer above. I meant that God can see what is happening in the present, and possible futures. However, the whole future is not determined (to my knowledge), and there are parts in the bible where He essentially says He was surprised or shocked by something unexpected happening.

ah gotcha

what makes doing god's will objectively good?

Well, it's something I'm sill studying, but I think it has do do with natural consequences of actions

For example, the way we are built, the wages of staying underwater without air is drowning, Sin is doing that which we are not meant to do, and thus performing sinful actions affects us negatively, sooner or later.

Bringing this back to the original question, we must determine how economic policies affect man's ability to perform God's will. If they encourage sin, even if they claim to oppose it, then they are bad policies. But if they disincentivise sin and/or incentivise doing good, then they are good policies. It's the same with traditions.

If you're interested, Missing the Mark is a youtuber with some good videos related to this subject, though I disagree with him on some things (I'm not Catholic).