the 'economic growth' derived from a social media platform like Facebook seems like something that has contributed next to nothing to the wellbeing or further productivity of society at large

Yeah, it could be Islamic traditions or some such thing

or a tradition of shitting on the street

I believe objective morality transcends traditions - not that all traditions should be thrown out, of course, but they need to serve the Good, not just the Old.

lmao okay

what do you think objective morality is, then

My belief is that morality is based on the purpose God created us for.

Doing His will is good, and disobeying is evil/deleterious

right

wait

god's omniscient, right?

One of the things we're supposed to do is help those in need, and raise them up out of bad situations.

@21tagtmeiern Essentially, yes

then aren't people who sin just doing as expected of them

No, they're choosing to not follow the best plan created by God

but god knew that plan wouldn't come to pass

so why would he make it

I'm sorry, I should've been clearer above. I meant that God can see what is happening in the present, and possible futures. However, the whole future is not determined (to my knowledge), and there are parts in the bible where He essentially says He was surprised or shocked by something unexpected happening.

ah gotcha

what makes doing god's will objectively good?

Well, it's something I'm sill studying, but I think it has do do with natural consequences of actions

For example, the way we are built, the wages of staying underwater without air is drowning, Sin is doing that which we are not meant to do, and thus performing sinful actions affects us negatively, sooner or later.

Bringing this back to the original question, we must determine how economic policies affect man's ability to perform God's will. If they encourage sin, even if they claim to oppose it, then they are bad policies. But if they disincentivise sin and/or incentivise doing good, then they are good policies. It's the same with traditions.

If you're interested, Missing the Mark is a youtuber with some good videos related to this subject, though I disagree with him on some things (I'm not Catholic).

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@Froce The main reason our prisons are huge is blacks/hispanics commit crimes

Most states don't send you to jail for possession anymore

@here What's the new QotD?

@everyone 🔖 Daily Question

What would an ideal immigration system look like in your dream country? Share your thoughts.

COLLECTIVE

Banned

No immigration

none except if they speak the language, learn the culture, learn the history, and display an alright level of intelligence in various aptitude tests

a stark contrast to the citizenship test for the USA, which is quite literally 10 questions

What Hanaso said

6 of which you need to get correct

Allow immigrants in but at the same time enforce the death penalty.

lmfao

modern Japanese immigration systems

pretty much perfect

My dream "country" would probably be a voluntary confederation of covenant communities. Depending on the confederal law/agreements, each covenant would probably choose it's own way of accepting or denying people membership/citizenship.