Message from @21tagtmeiern
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The Chinese government, for example, limits how wealthy its people are getting by producing most of our goods through extreme inflation of their money - that is to say, they're using the money supply to confiscate most of that wealth. So rather than companies having to increase their wages for Chinese workers and rather than Chinese workers being able to afford goods and services from the United States, the price of their labor is kept artificially low and the proceeds go to funding the expansion of Chinese power.
By allowing trade with China, we make it so that the most powerful corporations in the United States are the ones that use Chinese slave labor. Meanwhile, these same companies that do all of their business with China lobby for higher regulations in the United States, either to virtue signal or to cripple competitors who try to produce domestically within the United States. If their production is oversees then environmental and labor regulations here don't apply - if they did, it wouldn't be so much cheaper to ship everything from China. This is why you don't see corporations giving any funding to libertarian political candidates, even though they could easily justify giving some proportion of what they give to Democrats and Republicans. Free markets aren't in the benefit of international corporations - they want politically protected profits.
I would also surmise that we're hearing 10-100x more negative news about Donald Trump than we otherwise would because national borders and traditional values are also inconvenient impediments to the supremacy of international corporations. It is in their financial interest to water down our political consensus and to lower our wages through H1B skilled immigration. This is the major scam of progressivism - capitalists scamming socialists into dis-empowering their workers relative to capital in the name of solidarity.
Workers
Better Workers
Without workers
better workers, the point of schools is to educate kids not brainwash them
No point in loyalty
i think there are problems with both approaches
if i had to pick one i'd say better workers
Loyal
I'll take the other side on this one
better workers obviously
The problem with the question is that you assume loyalty cannot be taught while also teaching how to be better workers
In fact, it usually comes hand in hand
The most disciplined and skilled children are also usually the most loyal.
For example, the Hitler Youth.
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Well, there's no denying the Hitler Youth were skilled as well as loyal.
No matter how messed up the whole thing was
workers, no matter how loyal they are, no country lasts forever, but contrributions do
I personally don't think you can have better workers without loyalty. You can teach them..sure..but what will end up happening is they're not encouraged enough to help the state with such skill.
workers, as in people conditioned to be employees? or workers as in people with skills to do desired work?
Focus on neither?
Focus on providing a balanced education in all areas
rather than making drones
yeah
My impression is that we are currently suffering from this continual pattern of trying to turn students in to factory workers for factories that no longer exist
I'm not feeling this framing from the get-go, your really looking for your educational system to produce good citizens. That is people who can be part of society and bear the responsibilities that go along with that.
So you need to develop skills so they can be productive, and certainly school should lay the groundwork for that
You also need knowledge of how society is structured, so that needs to be taught.
i think the question is how you define better workers
if it's just more skilled workers then sure the schools should go for that
I will disagree with everyone based on the Aristotelian argument that a society is ultimately grounded in shared virtue and that virtue is the root of excellence, so that it's essential for the future citizens of a society to be taught moral values, such as being taught loyalty towards one's friends and neighbors.
but if a better worker is one who keeps their head down and works instead of questioning the system, that's not something the school should go for
I mean
whose morals?
morality is too vague of a term
A society requires that people have basic agreement on the ultimate goods and bads, otherwise they cannot create laws which are universally acceptable. So, the society's morals. It is only because some moral rules are unquestionably accepted that many others can be left up in the air.
which society?
and at what point in time?
Are these morals going to be stagnant, or are they going to develop over time?