anyone that thinks we could wage war without domestic steel production is probably a commie infiltrator

as for the 0, i mean in terms of goods needed to sustain a country, for example during a war so supply lines cant be cut off

yeah

There are some things that are not economically good short-term, such as protectionism, but are necessary

- Protectionism sacrifices the benefits of comparative advantage for BOTH countries, but it encourages localized production of goods, which is essential if you ever go to war, because once you go to war you can't use the other country's industrial capacity anymore.
- I would argue that a libertarian "free market" actually doesn't make sense unless there is protection against trading with non-free markets. This kind of trade favors the non-free market, which is likely controlled by an authoritarian power actively seeking to undermine neighboring libertarian societies.
- The hidden benefit of protection is that when companies are producing locally, it becomes MUCH easier for independent citizens to compete in the marketplace, because they can work for themselves for free, whereas larger companies must pay relatively high wages. So while we might be theoretically "poorer" by not producing in the cheapest way across country lines, the protection creates a situation in which the protected market has more competition and relative equality.

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The Chinese government, for example, limits how wealthy its people are getting by producing most of our goods through extreme inflation of their money - that is to say, they're using the money supply to confiscate most of that wealth. So rather than companies having to increase their wages for Chinese workers and rather than Chinese workers being able to afford goods and services from the United States, the price of their labor is kept artificially low and the proceeds go to funding the expansion of Chinese power.

By allowing trade with China, we make it so that the most powerful corporations in the United States are the ones that use Chinese slave labor. Meanwhile, these same companies that do all of their business with China lobby for higher regulations in the United States, either to virtue signal or to cripple competitors who try to produce domestically within the United States. If their production is oversees then environmental and labor regulations here don't apply - if they did, it wouldn't be so much cheaper to ship everything from China. This is why you don't see corporations giving any funding to libertarian political candidates, even though they could easily justify giving some proportion of what they give to Democrats and Republicans. Free markets aren't in the benefit of international corporations - they want politically protected profits.

I would also surmise that we're hearing 10-100x more negative news about Donald Trump than we otherwise would because national borders and traditional values are also inconvenient impediments to the supremacy of international corporations. It is in their financial interest to water down our political consensus and to lower our wages through H1B skilled immigration. This is the major scam of progressivism - capitalists scamming socialists into dis-empowering their workers relative to capital in the name of solidarity.

Workers

Better Workers

Without workers

better workers, the point of schools is to educate kids not brainwash them

No point in loyalty

i think there are problems with both approaches

if i had to pick one i'd say better workers

Loyal

I'll take the other side on this one

better workers obviously

The problem with the question is that you assume loyalty cannot be taught while also teaching how to be better workers

In fact, it usually comes hand in hand

The most disciplined and skilled children are also usually the most loyal.

For example, the Hitler Youth.

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Well, there's no denying the Hitler Youth were skilled as well as loyal.

No matter how messed up the whole thing was

workers, no matter how loyal they are, no country lasts forever, but contrributions do

I personally don't think you can have better workers without loyalty. You can teach them..sure..but what will end up happening is they're not encouraged enough to help the state with such skill.

are the hitler youth something the education system should aspire towards producing?

workers, as in people conditioned to be employees? or workers as in people with skills to do desired work?

Focus on neither?

Focus on providing a balanced education in all areas

rather than making drones

yeah

My impression is that we are currently suffering from this continual pattern of trying to turn students in to factory workers for factories that no longer exist

I'm not feeling this framing from the get-go, your really looking for your educational system to produce good citizens. That is people who can be part of society and bear the responsibilities that go along with that.

So you need to develop skills so they can be productive, and certainly school should lay the groundwork for that

You also need knowledge of how society is structured, so that needs to be taught.

i think the question is how you define better workers

if it's just more skilled workers then sure the schools should go for that

I will disagree with everyone based on the Aristotelian argument that a society is ultimately grounded in shared virtue and that virtue is the root of excellence, so that it's essential for the future citizens of a society to be taught moral values, such as being taught loyalty towards one's friends and neighbors.

but if a better worker is one who keeps their head down and works instead of questioning the system, that's not something the school should go for

I mean