Message from @hhh

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2018-09-06 22:38:51 UTC  

So, morality is a human concept, and as such you have argued against yourself in saying that humanity can never reach an objective morality, meaning it does not exist.

2018-09-06 22:39:11 UTC  

When did I say that?

2018-09-06 22:39:58 UTC  

Hmmm, "We cannot achieve perfect objectivity in our moral systems."

2018-09-06 22:40:26 UTC  

Because "humans are not perfectly logical creatures."

2018-09-06 22:40:35 UTC  

I already addressed this too, objective morality is the foundation for our moral systems

2018-09-06 22:40:52 UTC  

There is no objective morality.

2018-09-06 22:40:57 UTC  

There are no facts of it.

2018-09-06 22:41:09 UTC  

Nothing that proves it is.

2018-09-06 22:41:21 UTC  

There is only your opinion.

2018-09-06 22:41:31 UTC  

I have given standards to validate it

2018-09-06 22:42:06 UTC  

You dodged all my questions on the subjects of what is more right, and how it righteousness is dictated.

2018-09-06 22:42:42 UTC  

When did I dodge them? What were they?

2018-09-06 22:43:04 UTC  

What are natural rights?

2018-09-06 22:43:42 UTC  

And "evolutionary psychology" is just genetic memory.

2018-09-06 22:44:07 UTC  

So genetics are partly to determine what is moral?

2018-09-06 22:44:13 UTC  

To what extent?

2018-09-06 22:45:19 UTC  

And if that is so, not all humans are genetically identical, with so much variation, how is that a proper determinant?

2018-09-06 22:45:34 UTC  

Natural rights is the philosophical concept of the state of nature for an individual to be truly free from outside compulsion and force.

2018-09-06 22:45:44 UTC  

Then it's an opinion.

2018-09-06 22:45:57 UTC  

A concept.

2018-09-06 22:46:05 UTC  

Genral relgion based on race, muslims have no parted morals, there is not straight guideline 'rules' to morals

2018-09-06 22:46:13 UTC  

religion*

2018-09-06 22:46:29 UTC  

general*

2018-09-06 22:46:51 UTC  

Natural rights are a concept. That isn't the basis for morality though, it is a standard to check it too.

2018-09-06 22:47:15 UTC  

Then what *is* the objective morality?

2018-09-06 22:47:41 UTC  

Where does it exist?

2018-09-06 22:47:46 UTC  

How does it exist?

2018-09-06 22:47:53 UTC  

I'm not debating what it is, just that it is objective

2018-09-06 22:48:10 UTC  

You have to define things to debate

2018-09-06 22:48:15 UTC  

None of which you have done.

2018-09-06 22:48:45 UTC  

You haven't told me how it exists, why it exists, when it came to exist, where it exists, what it exists as.

2018-09-06 22:49:03 UTC  

Only said it does

2018-09-06 22:49:06 UTC  

Which is faith.

2018-09-06 22:49:13 UTC  

Which apparently is an opinion m

2018-09-06 22:49:15 UTC  

Wtf? Most of those questions don't apply to morality at all

2018-09-06 22:49:18 UTC  

And opinions are not facts.

2018-09-06 22:49:44 UTC  

The relate to the existence of this "objective" morality.

2018-09-06 22:49:47 UTC  

Whatever that is.

2018-09-06 22:50:00 UTC  

And that is what we are talking about, not morality itself.

2018-09-06 22:50:11 UTC  

But the existence of an objective reality.

2018-09-06 22:50:44 UTC  

That was the question