and if it were legal there'd be much more

But what criminalizing it has done, is it has significantly reduced the spread of it

or the occurrence of it

But you aren’t criminalizing gay sex

That’s not what you said

You said gay marriage and adoption

It's part of a wide range of discussion

I would go the Russian route where all public displays of homosexuality are forbidden

marriage doesn't have a set purpose in a secular society

but wouldnt do anything in private

Because it's redundant to go that far

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@21tagtmeiern it used to

but now it's little more than an economic union

yeah well idc

yeah well, you will when you get divorced

banning it in privacy would just mean people would do it privately anyways except they'd be more careful

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ok look i'm debated out this weekend i'll talk about this tomorrow

I’m a libertarian. Anytime the government walks into someone’s life and tells them what they are supposed to do in their private life is seen as negative. It isn’t the job of the government to forbid any consenting relationship of any kind. Its also not the responsibility of the government to pay for your treatment cause you’re sick with an STD.

Libertarianism is gay

🤷‍♂️

so I see the connection

Tough shit then

Do you like Pinochet @killsometime

Pinochet is a discount Franco really

*shit

All I know about him is free helicopter rides

Libertarians are the creationists of economics

and communists are the flat earthers

Generally speaking once upon a time homosexuality was viewed as not normal, however few if any cared what happened behind closed doors. Most treated the public space as a common space where the majority is entitled to, through sheer force, force unity in identity and what values are propagated. Hence why today you cant for example fuck around and cause a riot or yell fire in a theatre. You also cant walk around naked.... which can be argued for just as much as homosexuality in the same way. Its discriminatory yes. But its the public space so the majority has the right to say no to certain behaviours that affect everyone. What you do individually does affect those around you especialyl in the public space, and people have a right to determine if that is unnaceptable or not.

Atheists and Creationists are equally terrible, they assert an answer in a unanswerable theoretical metaphysical question

Are people born gay? No, perhaps a few but most are not.

Should gay people have gotten the "right" to marry? No, it isn't marriage and they never actually wanted to be married.

Should gays be allowed to adopt children? NO, stop the degeneracy, protect the kids.

just to suit personal vendettas

@killsometime The purpose of laws isn't always to outright forbid something, sometimes they are written with the intention of fostering a certain culture

which is why "BUT IT STILL HAPPENS" is a meaningless retort

Last time I looked into it, I believe gays are overrepresented in child molestation by like 40 times.

I dont know about 40 times, but they are overrepresented

Today we see homosexuality used to create a new identity that is founded on what is assumed ot be an immutable trait, which creates a need to keep that identity alive and in fact secure its ability to project power, to secure its existence and those of its members. You do this trhough hate speech laws, diversification (essentialyl recruitment into the minority pile), etc. until you reach a status of legitimate cultural dominance. The idea of restricting this identity or in fact eradicating it is to incorporate gays into the identity of a certain culture and region and restrict friction within the group.

maybe 40 was one of the numbers used

and yeah its 11 gay pedo to 1 hetero pedo