Message from @The Big Oof

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2018-09-25 01:23:48 UTC  

autocephalous style government

2018-09-25 01:37:15 UTC  

Centralized but localized governments should have the power to be able to administrate effectively

2018-09-25 01:38:26 UTC  

that's vague enough to just mean statism

2018-09-25 01:38:32 UTC  

oh and u support borders ig

2018-09-25 01:38:47 UTC  

that response means nothing else @Bagrat

2018-09-25 01:40:08 UTC  

I have a mixed view on the issue

2018-09-25 01:42:49 UTC  

Although I lean towards centralized a government is inherently limited in scope of what it itself can efficiently administrate and hence a larger state can not be fully centralized without suffering major drawbacks and hence it has to be somewhat decentralized to more local authorities to accommodate

2018-09-25 01:43:27 UTC  

oh ok gotcha

2018-09-25 04:35:03 UTC  

Does this sub hate libertarians or something?

2018-09-25 04:37:15 UTC  

there are some natcaps and lolberts here

2018-09-25 04:37:23 UTC  

"Natcaps" ???

2018-09-25 04:37:32 UTC  

Pinochet lovers

2018-09-25 04:37:38 UTC  

Oh... gotcha.

2018-09-25 04:37:49 UTC  

So... neocon sub?

2018-09-25 04:38:09 UTC  

There is a lolbert on the staff, but he's been offline for a while

2018-09-25 04:38:20 UTC  

I dont think any of us are neocons

2018-09-25 04:38:37 UTC  

not even our resident schlomo @otterlycorrect

2018-09-25 04:39:05 UTC  

Strange lingo. But right wing authoritarians?

2018-09-25 04:43:17 UTC  

Hmm.

2018-09-25 04:46:24 UTC  

@Zayan Watchel Many of us are fascists, yes

2018-09-25 04:46:29 UTC  

but not all or even most

2018-09-25 04:46:50 UTC  

maybe about a third to less than half

2018-09-25 05:10:18 UTC  

Wouldn't you describe Fascism as left wing though? Lots of Fascist regimes have been closer to socialism then authoritarian right wing-ism.

2018-09-25 05:14:54 UTC  

No, because socialism and social programs are often confused @Zayan Watchel

2018-09-25 05:15:07 UTC  

Socialism seeks to abolish class and pursues equality

2018-09-25 05:15:14 UTC  

Sure.

2018-09-25 05:15:21 UTC  

Fascism is class collaboration within a hierarchy

2018-09-25 05:15:34 UTC  

hierarchy*

2018-09-25 05:15:40 UTC  

So (economic, I'm guessing?) classes cooperating?

2018-09-25 05:15:45 UTC  

Oh.

2018-09-25 05:15:51 UTC  

What do you mean by Hierarchy?

2018-09-25 05:16:06 UTC  

It's a meritocracy, but the state is supposed to function as a body.

2018-09-25 05:16:32 UTC  

Ah, right, the state funds your family theatre trips. Or your employer 😃

2018-09-25 05:17:35 UTC  

Let me find a quote from Mussolini that I often refer to when people ask if fascism is left wing or right wing

2018-09-25 05:18:52 UTC  

Okey dokey.

2018-09-25 05:19:16 UTC  

"No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State (15). Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon. But when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State " @Zayan Watchel

2018-09-25 05:19:24 UTC  

From The Doctrine of Fascism

2018-09-25 05:19:56 UTC  

Fascism is anti-socialism

2018-09-25 05:20:23 UTC  

The Nazis, aside from the Strasserists, were not socialists

2018-09-25 05:20:34 UTC  

They were capitalists

2018-09-25 05:20:40 UTC  

Mussolini, however, was neither