Message from @Zayan Watchel
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Does this sub hate libertarians or something?
there are some natcaps and lolberts here
"Natcaps" ???
Pinochet lovers
Oh... gotcha.
So... neocon sub?
There is a lolbert on the staff, but he's been offline for a while
I dont think any of us are neocons
not even our resident schlomo @otterlycorrect
Strange lingo. But right wing authoritarians?
Hmm.
@Zayan Watchel Many of us are fascists, yes
but not all or even most
maybe about a third to less than half
Wouldn't you describe Fascism as left wing though? Lots of Fascist regimes have been closer to socialism then authoritarian right wing-ism.
No, because socialism and social programs are often confused @Zayan Watchel
Socialism seeks to abolish class and pursues equality
Sure.
Fascism is class collaboration within a hierarchy
hierarchy*
Oh.
What do you mean by Hierarchy?
It's a meritocracy, but the state is supposed to function as a body.
Ah, right, the state funds your family theatre trips. Or your employer 😃
Let me find a quote from Mussolini that I often refer to when people ask if fascism is left wing or right wing
Okey dokey.
"No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State (15). Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon. But when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State " @Zayan Watchel
From The Doctrine of Fascism
Fascism is anti-socialism
The Nazis, aside from the Strasserists, were not socialists
They were capitalists
Mussolini, however, was neither
Oh, they're definetly two separate things, without a doubt, but they're also pretty similar in some regards. I haven't read any Fascist literature in years, but I remember watching a YT video by some economist. I'll see if I can't scrap it up. I'll probably re-read some mussolini sometime.
I thought that fascism was pretty left wing when I read Mussolini.
That's because Mussolini was largely infleunced by his blacksmith father who had a alot of socialist views and opinions.
Mussolini was part of a socialist party with marxist wings, but after finding out about the marxists he left them.
I am watching this video as I type this.
It is best seen as "Third Position" rather than as far right or far left.
An issue I have with fascism being labeled left wing is that fascism emphasizes duty and loyalty to the nation, and its economic approach is often coming from a nationalist angle, in other words, not wanting your people to be whored out to big business, while trying to find middle ground between employers and employees.
This quote, I posted earlier
"Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon. But when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State ""
reflects this.
Also, this guy's quote at around 6:30
"Fascism outlaws private property"
No, not necessarily. Hitler, for instance, was extremely pro-private property. He was a lot more radical in his younger years, but as he gained power, he largely abandoned his socialist policies.
This is why there was a conflict between Hitler and the Strasserists
Hitler privatized nearly all of German'y state owned industry
Also, in Mussolini