Message from @Jay1532
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A nation is a people or conglomerate of people that unite under the same banner and share the same heritage, a blood bond, and are the discendants of that original tribe. The nation as such is any and all groups that (using tertiary identity derived from smaller groups and from primary identity of individuals) share costoms, traditions, and most fundumentally a group that is tied by blood.
A nation is a group of people and a culture stuck on one geographic location. It not only should be preserved, but it's necessary that it is preserved. A cultureless people are bound together by nothing except the state, this is disastrous and bound to fail.
i'm not a nationalist so idc what a nation is
if i remember correctly it's a territory controlled by a state that is culturally homogeneous
Nah, the state has nothing to do with the nation as far as I'm concerned. If you think the state's involved, demonstrate how.
A nation by definition requires people of a common ancestral and cultural background
A state is a government that rules them and maintains their independence
hence: nation state
Nation state != Nation. I'm talking about nations.
States are helpful tools in the path to nationhood and indeed maintenance of a nation after.
@SilverLining Why is the nation a meaningless concept?
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A "nation" is often too vaguely or arbitrarily defined
Moreover, a "nation" experiences existential divides within itself
A nation is vague ergo no nation must exist
a bit of a leap, no?
a nation is too vague, arbitrary, and meaningless to actually mean anything tangible
ergo, a nation is a meaningless concept which shouldn't be of concern
Other factors are more vital
If we classify a group of people as a nation then are areas where’re Africans live part of Africa
Are all areas where Chinese people live China
Was Saddam Husain not a leader of a nation despite a divided people
Is America not a nation since we don’t have our own long ethnic background
Nation isnt really that arbitrary or vague, when the definition is put to paper it usually is defined with culture in mind and a group that identifies with said culture, but culture is based with ethnicity and as such heritage and common ancestry is implied. Which simply means that you have defined a set group with set values etc. Its actually a very well defined term, and can be used to huge benefit.
@L0GAN There is a difference between nation and land, chinese beyond the boarders of china are part of the chinese nation. However the area they live on is not china.
Saddam Hussein, well it depends on the ancestry of said people. Generally some countries have multiple nations (ethnicities) within them, and this translates to conflict over trying to gain power.
America is complicated, it is if anything the exception to the rule however this is also not entirely true. You have plenty of original diasporas living in the US that are pure ethnic, pure nationals say from germany, england and Poland or genetically are almost pure. These are quite large pockets and im willing to bet that a majority of americans are actually a majority of one nation or another from the original continents. so Id say most likely 60% is majority (75+% pure) XYZ ethnic background. While this can be wrong as well. But I tend to find that this is usually the case at least with my stay on the west coast. America maybe used to be a nation with a complete set of land, but with the immigration act being passed and massive influx of migration earlier, we see the issue of the original nation being set aside. Id say the original american nation controls maybe (by population density) some 60-70% of the land of the US.
@everyone Daily Question 🔖
Is Kavanaugh guilty? Are Ford's allegations credible? Is Kavanaugh a good pick for the Supreme Court?
No, No, Probably
No, No, and I don't care anymore.
No, no, please end society
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No, No and Probably the best one for the SC.
Its honestly a meme at this point
He seems like he is a genuinely good guy, not sure if he's going to remain strong enough to handle the corruption up in DC but once he gets confirmed, the FISA documents should be unclassified.
Are they even trying?
The GOP should've confirmed this man long ago.
yes, yes, no