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You're not super bright are you?
are you?
😂
I am not discussing state of utah or other shit
california isnt capitalist as well
it is a fucking comie land
Your stance is Venezuela is socialist, I have thoroughly shown it is not
Your insistence is on price controls and welfare programs
Which is silly
no you havent, that they use money and not fucking plastic dolls doesnt mean that they do not treat commodities as given or leased to some social groups that they wanted to elevate as equal to the others
I don't think you understand what I said
What do you think a commodity is?
```Workers are still paid a wage. Are you really this dumb?```
we're not talking about communism
fucking idiot
```a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.```
socialism
Communism is socialism I hope you know
K, you know, fuck you. I have better things to do
read up things. Im busy
Firstly this is an appeal to definition fallacy
Secondly even in this definition, which is incomplete, you can prove Venezuela is not socialist
it's a capitalist economy that tried and failed to transition to socialism
is that better?
That's what I said this whole time
That's been the position I have been arguing for
My argument has been:
Venezuela is an example of why reformation cannot establish socialism. You cannot establish the socialist mode of production by voting in official and slowly changing it with economic reforms. Socialism requires a revolutionary war, seizure of state power by the working class and continued on going revolutionary terror to maintain the transition
This is in the broader context of why Democratic Socialism is bad
it wasnt communist and wasnt fully capitalistic either
you're describing a communistic state
There is no difference between socialism and communism
They're the same thing
Marx and Engels used the terms interchangeably
And up until Lenin this was the case
Lenin early on even used the terms interchangeably
```a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.```
advocates, owned OR regulated
Appeal to definition
it was regulated by the government that was leaning towards the community
and it did advocate instead of fully enforcing it, so people could still run away