check

Firstly the division of workers and business owners exists in Venezuela, secondly they operate in a market economy, which means production for exchange exists. Workers are still paid a wage. Are you really this dumb?

All aspects of Capitalism exist

In Venezuela

There is no socialist mode of production there

You can keep up with the NPC neo-liberal "if the government does stuff it's socialism" take all you want

It won't make you right

I can actually bring up examples of these kinds of programs in the USA too

>the abolition of the commodity form
Given these circumstances, it's no surprise the Housing Mission has been extremely popular.

Through the mission, residents are given low cost homes under a permanent lease system. The houses are built by the state and / or local communes and communal councils. The residents own the home permanently to live in, but are generally barred from sale.

For example the State of Utah built homes for homeless people to combat their homeless problem

Still Capitalist

capitalist because they use money?

what if we switched that to coupons, toys or shit?

You're not super bright are you?

are you?

😂

I am not discussing state of utah or other shit

california isnt capitalist as well

it is a fucking comie land

Your stance is Venezuela is socialist, I have thoroughly shown it is not

Your insistence is on price controls and welfare programs

Which is silly

no you havent, that they use money and not fucking plastic dolls doesnt mean that they do not treat commodities as given or leased to some social groups that they wanted to elevate as equal to the others

I don't think you understand what I said

What do you think a commodity is?

```Workers are still paid a wage. Are you really this dumb?```

we're not talking about communism

fucking idiot

```a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.```

socialism

Communism is socialism I hope you know

K, you know, fuck you. I have better things to do

read up things. Im busy

Maybe the other day, bye

Firstly this is an appeal to definition fallacy

Secondly even in this definition, which is incomplete, you can prove Venezuela is not socialist

it's a capitalist economy that tried and failed to transition to socialism

is that better?