Message from @Enigmatic★Chromatic
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```Workers are still paid a wage. Are you really this dumb?```
we're not talking about communism
fucking idiot
```a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.```
socialism
Communism is socialism I hope you know
K, you know, fuck you. I have better things to do
read up things. Im busy
Maybe the other day, bye
Firstly this is an appeal to definition fallacy
Secondly even in this definition, which is incomplete, you can prove Venezuela is not socialist
it's a capitalist economy that tried and failed to transition to socialism
is that better?
That's what I said this whole time
That's been the position I have been arguing for
My argument has been:
Venezuela is an example of why reformation cannot establish socialism. You cannot establish the socialist mode of production by voting in official and slowly changing it with economic reforms. Socialism requires a revolutionary war, seizure of state power by the working class and continued on going revolutionary terror to maintain the transition
This is in the broader context of why Democratic Socialism is bad
it wasnt communist and wasnt fully capitalistic either
you're describing a communistic state
There is no difference between socialism and communism
Marx and Engels used the terms interchangeably
And up until Lenin this was the case
Lenin early on even used the terms interchangeably
```a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.```
advocates, owned OR regulated
Appeal to definition
it was regulated by the government that was leaning towards the community
and it did advocate instead of fully enforcing it, so people could still run away
perfectly fucking matches the example
yeah we can use no definitions
we can play with shit, that sounds fun
lets draw circles and quarrel whos circle is the best circle
ffs
Well you could actually read up on socialism instead of using dictionaries
In What is to be Done by Lenin, and Critique of the Gotha Program by Marx, you can see a clear interchangeability between socialism and communism as terms
It wasn't until Lenin described Marx's "First Phase of Communism" as Socialism and said it was the transition to Communism(which is what he called Marx's final phase of communism) that socialism and communism were ever used to describe different things
Even separating socialism and communism like that clearly demonstrates Venezuela is not socialist
Currently most Marxists outside of a few uneducated Marxist Leninists, use the terms interchangeably
And Democratic Socialists, as well as even Anarchists still agree on the final stage of communism being the goal