Your insistence is on price controls and welfare programs

Which is silly

no you havent, that they use money and not fucking plastic dolls doesnt mean that they do not treat commodities as given or leased to some social groups that they wanted to elevate as equal to the others

I don't think you understand what I said

What do you think a commodity is?

```Workers are still paid a wage. Are you really this dumb?```

we're not talking about communism

fucking idiot

```a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.```

socialism

Communism is socialism I hope you know

K, you know, fuck you. I have better things to do

read up things. Im busy

Maybe the other day, bye

Firstly this is an appeal to definition fallacy

Secondly even in this definition, which is incomplete, you can prove Venezuela is not socialist

it's a capitalist economy that tried and failed to transition to socialism

is that better?

That's what I said this whole time

That's been the position I have been arguing for

My argument has been:
Venezuela is an example of why reformation cannot establish socialism. You cannot establish the socialist mode of production by voting in official and slowly changing it with economic reforms. Socialism requires a revolutionary war, seizure of state power by the working class and continued on going revolutionary terror to maintain the transition

This is in the broader context of why Democratic Socialism is bad

it wasnt communist and wasnt fully capitalistic either

you're describing a communistic state

There is no difference between socialism and communism

They're the same thing

Marx and Engels used the terms interchangeably

And up until Lenin this was the case

Lenin early on even used the terms interchangeably

```a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.```

advocates, owned OR regulated

Appeal to definition

it was regulated by the government that was leaning towards the community

and it did advocate instead of fully enforcing it, so people could still run away

perfectly fucking matches the example

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/27/Appeal-to-Definition

yeah we can use no definitions

we can play with shit, that sounds fun

lets draw circles and quarrel whos circle is the best circle

ffs

Well you could actually read up on socialism instead of using dictionaries