Message from @The Big Oof
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that is an amazing analogy
Well, a lot of people are misinformed as to what socialism is, because of people like Bernie Sanders
itll be easier for me to simply read up and understand directly what falls under socialism, because I may have just been living under a rock when it comes to economics my whole life
It's not even a "b- but it's not true socialism" scenario, he doesn't have the same end goals as a socialist, and if he does, he's not public about them
Also wasnt bernie part of a communist club or legitimately socialist club at one point, I remember that being a thing.
in his youth of course
when I say "true socialist", I mean those times when socialism gets implemented and they shout "but but but it wasn;t REAL socialism"
when it fails
that was a long time ago does it matter
It probably is true, he praised Castro is, the 80s? I think
But it was a long time ago
real socialism = successful socialism lol
Which doesn't exist
that's why it was never real socialism
They're technically correct when they say that it never was
Because socialism never was and never will be
exactly
It's a fantasy
So much like communism its only an intellectual unicorn fantasy
Socialism is always redefined when they realize it doesn't work
When they have to justify capitalist policies in China
"destroying all class barriers"
that's a nice definition that can't really be met
there cant be a class if everyone is equally poor
imo class isn't just how much money you have
as far as I know communism drives towards anarchy, which is legitimately a method of exacting equality because if there is no structure and everyone is dirt poor in primitivism and anarchy then well there is no economic class
and true that, there can be many ways to define a class in society, intelectual capacity, practical skills, physicla prowess.
and id argue that those clases do exist, but to a lesser extent than say economic
yeah pure communism is anarchy
but the goal is not to make everyone dirt poor and primitive
Post labor society
Is the end goal of communism
huh
didn't know that
not primitivism then ig
Socialism is the belief that men are inherently good and equal. That it is the social stratification that causes the evils in society. So if men shared the means of production then inequality would be eliminated which would create a good society.
Social democracy tries to do the same, but by redistributing wealth through social programs.
Haven't I already told you repeatedly in extreme detail why this analysis of socialism is completely wrong?
Socialism is not "everyone is equal", this is far from a consensus in socialist theory. Socialism is collective ownership of the MOP. Even the phrase 'from each according to their ability, to each according to their need' strongly implies not everyone is equal.
You're confusing historical materialism that leads to the perceived injustices of capitalism with the theory of socialism itself.
@εïз irma εïз you haven't told me that