Message from @The Big Oof
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He's a retard
i think it's strategic if false
Well, he may be hiding his power level, but he's succeeding in reinforcing the false lolbert/boomer belief that socialism is just state intervention and welfare
that's true
Wouldnt it be fair to call them socailist policies? or would that require something simply more extreme?
that would require the state to seize the means of production
True, however we can discern between simply incorporating socialism full stop, and incorporating policy that has some ideas or foundations from socialism.
I would say that because you do welfare you are coming for the means of production because thats absurd
wut
@Bogatyr Bogumir That's not socialism.
Socialism implies social ownership and seizing the means of production
If libertarianism is the creationist version of economics, socialism is flat earth version of economics
surely however there are certain ideals socialists appeal to beyond simply seizing the means of production. Ill go and read up on it
lol
that is an amazing analogy
Well, a lot of people are misinformed as to what socialism is, because of people like Bernie Sanders
itll be easier for me to simply read up and understand directly what falls under socialism, because I may have just been living under a rock when it comes to economics my whole life
It's not even a "b- but it's not true socialism" scenario, he doesn't have the same end goals as a socialist, and if he does, he's not public about them
Also wasnt bernie part of a communist club or legitimately socialist club at one point, I remember that being a thing.
in his youth of course
when I say "true socialist", I mean those times when socialism gets implemented and they shout "but but but it wasn;t REAL socialism"
that was a long time ago does it matter
It probably is true, he praised Castro is, the 80s? I think
But it was a long time ago
real socialism = successful socialism lol
Which doesn't exist
that's why it was never real socialism
They're technically correct when they say that it never was
Because socialism never was and never will be
exactly
It's a fantasy
So much like communism its only an intellectual unicorn fantasy
Socialism is always redefined when they realize it doesn't work
Like how Dengists claim socialism is "eliminating poverty"
When they have to justify capitalist policies in China
"destroying all class barriers"
that's a nice definition that can't really be met
there cant be a class if everyone is equally poor
imo class isn't just how much money you have
as far as I know communism drives towards anarchy, which is legitimately a method of exacting equality because if there is no structure and everyone is dirt poor in primitivism and anarchy then well there is no economic class
and true that, there can be many ways to define a class in society, intelectual capacity, practical skills, physicla prowess.