Message from @Draco

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2018-11-03 23:45:21 UTC  

I didn't mean like that

2018-11-03 23:45:45 UTC  

Obviously science uses Methodological Naturalism as an assumption

2018-11-03 23:46:27 UTC  

I mean that 'race realism' to me has always shown itself to be cherry picked science to prove the assumptions of race the people who claim the title already have

2018-11-03 23:46:50 UTC  

I will concede that different races are, different of course. This is not an issue I have with the position

2018-11-03 23:49:52 UTC  

It is definitely not cherry picked. And bias in these fields is against race realism.
Now, it may be that the there are limitations in current analysis. But as it stands, there are many studies which you can read yourself that show that race is a factor in a lot of things.
Actually you can do the research yourself. I did one myself. Do you want to see the results?

2018-11-03 23:56:03 UTC  

And many that show the opposite

2018-11-03 23:57:01 UTC  

I think it's more reasonable to, even from a race realist perspective, to conclude not that any given race is the problem, but that we should seek to improve the conditions for all people to eliminate this issue

2018-11-03 23:57:38 UTC  

I do know many race realists will agree on Decolonization and black national self determination if they don't use it as a guise for hate

2018-11-03 23:58:33 UTC  

Hate is the wrong word, more like fear

2018-11-04 00:00:33 UTC  

You can link those studies. They are very problematic. .
However, coming to the main point. It is a question of distribution of resources. You cannot improve condition of everyone. It is impossible. From where would you get the money?

2018-11-04 00:05:41 UTC  

Well

2018-11-04 00:05:47 UTC  

I don't mean equality

2018-11-04 00:06:06 UTC  

I mean removing the base systems that create these barriers to begin with

2018-11-04 00:06:28 UTC  

So, give me a policy proposal you would want to enact?

2018-11-04 00:08:31 UTC  

There is a picture where boys are trying to look over a fence to watch a baseball game, "equality" is giving each one box to stand on, and another suggestion is moving the most boxes to the shortest. However a third option exists, remove the fence. Which ultimately I think communism at it's core is removing the fence. Now how we would use policy to accomplish this would vary from circumstance to circumstance, but for one entitlement to your labour and contorl over your work space is a good way to combat these issues, and black naitonal self determination is another

2018-11-04 00:10:22 UTC  

you're talking about equity

2018-11-04 00:10:29 UTC  

I have seen the picture. The point is that these options that Communism proposes are very harmful for productivity. And I am not sure about Black National Self Determination. Whites don't have that. The only thing that it will do is a collectivise blacks.

2018-11-04 00:10:50 UTC  

@Draco you blacc ?

2018-11-04 00:11:00 UTC  

No.

2018-11-04 00:12:25 UTC  

Well it gives black people an autonomous region

2018-11-04 00:12:54 UTC  

Yes, and what that will do? It will create a conflict with Whites who won't have such a region.

2018-11-04 00:13:18 UTC  

You think white people don't have national self determination?

2018-11-04 00:13:21 UTC  

communism is very fruitful

2018-11-04 00:13:22 UTC  

***just elimante 1 of them***

2018-11-04 00:13:22 UTC  

for productivity

2018-11-04 00:13:24 UTC  

problem soved

2018-11-04 00:13:41 UTC  

They don't have an autonomous region for themselves.

2018-11-04 00:14:10 UTC  

Sure they do

2018-11-04 00:14:21 UTC  

Which?

2018-11-04 00:14:43 UTC  

Most western countries have white national self determination

2018-11-04 00:14:54 UTC  

They're not ethno-states, but they do have national self determination

2018-11-04 00:14:54 UTC  

ppffft

2018-11-04 00:15:00 UTC  

PFFFFT

2018-11-04 00:15:19 UTC  

replacing whites with cheap arab labour isn't self determination

2018-11-04 00:15:40 UTC  

So, what is National Self Determination? I don't follow. What would a White man in Texas feel different if he visits that black autonomous region?

2018-11-04 00:18:27 UTC  

What do you mean feel different?

2018-11-04 00:18:55 UTC  

I want to know what National Self Determination means in terms of policies

2018-11-04 00:21:46 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452955229227319306/508435656020590611/2622092_slovensko-volby-v1-1.png

2018-11-04 00:22:07 UTC  

That that ethnic group would be given a autonomous regions, for example we could make the black belt a autonomous region for black people

2018-11-04 00:22:44 UTC  

I am asking just that. What autonomous region means? Does it mean that only black people can be in government?

2018-11-04 00:23:09 UTC  

Split the U.S into a white only region, a black only region, and a mixed region, let's see what happens