If the proletariat seize power they will form a state and political economy that is a reflection of their class and class interests

Nothing but socialism can arise from this

Btw I have to drive so brb

But there will always be a class that has power, right?
Ok

Well the majority of human existence has been in tribal societies where there were no class distinctions

there were de facto autocrats

chieftains

elders

theocrats

Those are not classes

Leaders will always exist

not economic classes no

Exactly

but involuntary control

My issue is not with hierarchies in and of themselves

Socialism is the abolition of class distinctions, not the abolition of the concept of leaders

yes i know

i am a socialist

In fact I think Engles puts it best

Are you a Marxist socialist? Or a sort of NazBol thing

i consider myself a marxist

the epistemological break is an important component to me

i find myself more intrigued with marx's scientific theories than his worldly philosophy

Well they're interconnected

I mean insofar as i don't need to rely on anything dialectical or materialistic to arrive at empirical worker exploitation and the effectiveness of worker self-management and proletarian freedom

or the validity of the LTV

or determining physical surplus

or surplus value

or that industries with a high labor to capital ratio are more profitable as shown by farjoun and machover in solidarity with the previously mentioned point of worker exploitation

Well, fair enough I suppose

As long as you can conclude with communism, that's to me what is most important

it's a possibility

as a theocrat i think an apostolic vanguard is necessary

Why aren't you a distributist if you're religious?

distributism is a system of creating a petty bourgeois

not socialistic at all

Seemed socialist to me since it didn't create a market so to speak

Er it's anti-market

Something like that

it's anti a centralization of capital

it's for the promulgation of cottage industry