Message from @Doctor Anon

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2018-11-25 18:09:11 UTC  

Helping others when you cannot even help the millions poor and diseased already here is ridiculously unrealistic

2018-11-25 18:09:17 UTC  

Were there any Chruch Fathers who said you cannot love your wife above your other broters in Christ?

2018-11-25 18:09:22 UTC  

And contrary to the point of the verse

2018-11-25 18:10:49 UTC  

@Doctor Anon youre adding variables to claim it's unrealistic, the fact that you have to segment helping anyone who needs it by locale is exactly what im talking about

2018-11-25 18:11:17 UTC  

and helping the millions poor and diseased is not nationalist by virtue either

2018-11-25 18:11:24 UTC  

there are plenty of nationalist leaders who did not do that

2018-11-25 18:11:48 UTC  

Then they aren't nationalist

2018-11-25 18:12:14 UTC  

by your definition

2018-11-25 18:12:21 UTC  

Nationalist is caring for the people around you, and not focusing abroad until your own people are well

2018-11-25 18:12:44 UTC  

I will repeat myself

2018-11-25 18:12:55 UTC  

Were there any Church Fathers who said you cannot love your wife above your other brothers in Christ?

2018-11-25 18:13:00 UTC  

It's incredibly foolish to help others abroad when you have millions suffering right next to you

2018-11-25 18:13:42 UTC  

You internationally work together to help all who need it

2018-11-25 18:13:48 UTC  

gee

2018-11-25 18:13:51 UTC  

@Vilhelmsson I don't get what you're saying, but according to mr.pebble it's a sin to love your wife more than a migrant 15000 km away

2018-11-25 18:14:02 UTC  

what

2018-11-25 18:14:09 UTC  

Favoritism

2018-11-25 18:14:10 UTC  

the bible specifically talks about how to treat your wife

2018-11-25 18:14:20 UTC  

With kindness

2018-11-25 18:14:27 UTC  

As if does your neighbor

2018-11-25 18:14:30 UTC  

Kindness

2018-11-25 18:14:39 UTC  

Yes, but to show partiality towards her is a transgression, is it not?

2018-11-25 18:14:53 UTC  

do you know what partiality is based on

2018-11-25 18:15:03 UTC  

To value her above others.

2018-11-25 18:15:13 UTC  

no, to discriminate against for immutable traits you judge as wrong

2018-11-25 18:15:28 UTC  

that are present in other churchgoers

2018-11-25 18:15:46 UTC  

Define "discriminate "

2018-11-25 18:16:17 UTC  

you know what it means

2018-11-25 18:16:32 UTC  

if a black person walks in , a poor person walks in, a dirty person walks in

2018-11-25 18:16:45 UTC  

i cannot discriminate against them

2018-11-25 18:16:50 UTC  

i cannot be partial

2018-11-25 18:16:53 UTC  

for they are my coheir in christ

2018-11-25 18:18:05 UTC  

christianity is inherently internationalist

2018-11-25 18:18:19 UTC  

cooperative on a global level

2018-11-25 18:18:50 UTC  

attending to the impracticality of reach with cooperating with distant powers

2018-11-25 18:19:54 UTC  

You need to be smart about it tho

2018-11-25 18:19:57 UTC  

For example

2018-11-25 18:20:03 UTC  

Foreign Aid doesn't help

2018-11-25 18:20:13 UTC  

Rarely if ever does it help

2018-11-25 18:27:54 UTC  

not the way its handled no it doesnt help

2018-11-25 18:30:05 UTC  

The issue I find is that, since the wife or family member, your born parents are given different status due to immutable virtues that they posess, beign your wife, your parents, and you cna discriminate based on this in favor of them. Then the same applies the farther we distance ourselves from that nucleus. Essentially creating a massive extended family where the importance of people gts lesser. the issue is that through discrimination i do not place lesser value on someones life, however rather it applies to their worth towards you and your group. God does not forbid us from creating nations and working in such a way, god did not create us with in group bias so that we could simply throw that away.

The church might be international however why should its doctrines apply to the people to force them into misery because they cannot discrimiante and form an enviorment that is best for them? By forcing people to not discriminate we inevitably lower the enviorment for everyone and deny people the right to say who they want to live next to. This is a false sense of equality of worth. All life is equally valuable however not all life is equally worthy to each member withing a group.