Message from @el pebble

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2018-11-25 18:00:54 UTC  

Your opinion on them

2018-11-25 18:01:08 UTC  

if they stray from God they are wrong

2018-11-25 18:01:24 UTC  

Tradition holds we must protect our people first

2018-11-25 18:01:29 UTC  

whose tradition

2018-11-25 18:01:32 UTC  

"1. My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons."

2018-11-25 18:01:44 UTC  

That verse relates to this one

2018-11-25 18:01:58 UTC  

@Vilhelmsson where is it located

2018-11-25 18:02:12 UTC  

James 2:1

2018-11-25 18:02:19 UTC  

Yep

2018-11-25 18:02:39 UTC  

James 2:1 echoes 2:9

2018-11-25 18:03:29 UTC  

Again it's referring to individuals

2018-11-25 18:03:34 UTC  

Not cohorts

2018-11-25 18:04:03 UTC  

So we can ostracize and exclude when a group of people seeks to worship or seek aid?

2018-11-25 18:04:07 UTC  

just because its not one person

2018-11-25 18:04:09 UTC  

Nationalism defends Christianity, it does not obstruct itm

2018-11-25 18:04:24 UTC  

So having partiality, or respect, is not a transgression unless it relates to the "faith of our Lord Jesus Christ".

2018-11-25 18:04:46 UTC  

I see that you didnt read James 2 at all

2018-11-25 18:05:09 UTC  

I asked a man I trust about the verse you posted.

2018-11-25 18:05:14 UTC  

Believers in Christ cannot show favoritism

2018-11-25 18:05:20 UTC  

that is what James 2:1 is about

2018-11-25 18:06:14 UTC  

nationalism is inherently combative to christian virtue

2018-11-25 18:06:23 UTC  

No, it's not

2018-11-25 18:06:30 UTC  

It's not denying help to others

2018-11-25 18:06:53 UTC  

it excludes peoples on subjective lines and exludes people who do not believe its sentiments, a christian nation would not regress two steps back to do that

2018-11-25 18:07:00 UTC  

Its saying "I can't help you right now because there are millions poor and diseased here already, once I help these millions I will help you"

2018-11-25 18:07:11 UTC  

nationalism does not say that at all

2018-11-25 18:07:20 UTC  

Yes it does

2018-11-25 18:07:22 UTC  

In my view

2018-11-25 18:07:29 UTC  

1. My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2. For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; 3. and ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: 4. are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? 5. Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? 6. But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? 7. Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called? 8. If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9. but if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment. 14. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

2018-11-25 18:07:33 UTC  

it's a devotion to national affairs

2018-11-25 18:07:45 UTC  

It's helping your people

2018-11-25 18:07:54 UTC  

your people are the heirs of Christ

2018-11-25 18:08:02 UTC  

you keep saying your people as if it has any value outside of Christ

2018-11-25 18:09:11 UTC  

Helping others when you cannot even help the millions poor and diseased already here is ridiculously unrealistic

2018-11-25 18:09:17 UTC  

Were there any Chruch Fathers who said you cannot love your wife above your other broters in Christ?

2018-11-25 18:09:22 UTC  

And contrary to the point of the verse

2018-11-25 18:10:49 UTC  

@Doctor Anon youre adding variables to claim it's unrealistic, the fact that you have to segment helping anyone who needs it by locale is exactly what im talking about

2018-11-25 18:11:17 UTC  

and helping the millions poor and diseased is not nationalist by virtue either

2018-11-25 18:11:24 UTC  

there are plenty of nationalist leaders who did not do that

2018-11-25 18:11:48 UTC  

Then they aren't nationalist

2018-11-25 18:12:14 UTC  

by your definition