I'm trying to argue people could have it better by having children

And have a more meaningful life

that's fair, but it's not what everyone thinks

its meaningful to you did you consider that not everyone has the same values?

and I'm positing people are almost always wrong when they think that

my values exist for good reason, I didn't pull them out of my ass, so of course I believe they are widely applicable

as do you

I cite the parents that abuse physicaly and monetarily

Ok, so you will one day wake up and become an abuser?

your parenting is not throwing the dice

thats anecdotel

it's not, everyone is a certain way. and if someone is super messed up they shouldn't have kids, of course, until they fix their super-messed-up-ness

but anyone who is reasonably stable, at the very least I think not having kids is a big risk

you're missing out on something huge

what? sleep deprivation?

Having a new best friend, having someone to carry "you" on while you're gone, not being old and lonely and helpless, having someone to do better than you ever did at .. everything

Also, I think the sleep deprivation doesn't even last a year if you put your baby on a proper schedule

Unless your baby is exceptionally sick or in pain

For some reason

Maybe even way less

thats a deal breaker for me

(not my area of expertise)

Everything good in life requires short term sacrifice.

3-12 months (wide range because I don't know) of some sleep problems is a dealbreaker?

but the end result isnt even that good

isn't it?

that's your choice.

brb gotta take rice off

I might consider adopting like a 10 year old

The ability to say "I bought you, I can take you back" would be the best deterant for bad behavior

...or you could teach a child to do the proper behavior because they understand it's the most beneficial thing and they desire it 🤦

by the age of 10 if they don't understand that on some level you're gonna be in big trouble during the teenage years

that strategy is just going to make them lie to you to please you

true

isnt that what being an adult is?

threatening to take a child back and basically saying "i own you" is an unhealthy way to raise a child

it should be about love, support, and help

not controlling

illl remind you both that this isnt <#452955229227319306>

lol

I still argue with them as if they're <#452955229227319306>