pathological fears arent rational

Why does it matter? It's a couple's individual choice if they decide they don't want to have children, it's not hurting anyone else

That fear goes against her biology which is why I believe someone gave it to her

because Wendie people could have a better life and create beings that have a better life and they refuse it for (usually) stupid reasons

in our society as a whole

I think having children is a duty of mine as a responsible person

Having them raising them and having them do more good than I have

not to mention it will be meaningful and fulfilling

And that's cool, but if other people don't think so and they have the ability to live a full life without children, why are they selfish? It's their choice

raising a child wont help me destroy humanity

Did I condemn anyone as selfish Wendie?

I didn't

I'm trying to argue people could have it better by having children

And have a more meaningful life

that's fair, but it's not what everyone thinks

its meaningful to you did you consider that not everyone has the same values?

and I'm positing people are almost always wrong when they think that

my values exist for good reason, I didn't pull them out of my ass, so of course I believe they are widely applicable

as do you

I cite the parents that abuse physicaly and monetarily

Ok, so you will one day wake up and become an abuser?

your parenting is not throwing the dice

thats anecdotel

it's not, everyone is a certain way. and if someone is super messed up they shouldn't have kids, of course, until they fix their super-messed-up-ness

but anyone who is reasonably stable, at the very least I think not having kids is a big risk

you're missing out on something huge

what? sleep deprivation?

Having a new best friend, having someone to carry "you" on while you're gone, not being old and lonely and helpless, having someone to do better than you ever did at .. everything

Also, I think the sleep deprivation doesn't even last a year if you put your baby on a proper schedule

Unless your baby is exceptionally sick or in pain

For some reason

Maybe even way less

thats a deal breaker for me

(not my area of expertise)

Everything good in life requires short term sacrifice.

3-12 months (wide range because I don't know) of some sleep problems is a dealbreaker?

but the end result isnt even that good

isn't it?

that's your choice.

brb gotta take rice off

I might consider adopting like a 10 year old