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To answer the question: No, not chiefly. Two big reasons IMO:
- “can’t criticize Jews or you’re anti Semitic” effect. Allows you to get away with a lot
- Highest average IQ among Jews
Also Jewish culture has great teachings on business and money. Survivors of constant persecution throughout history make them ambitious by default as a culture, too.
They’re in top positions everywhere. But still no proof there’s a Jewish conspiracy of some sort
Christians are pussies these days but I think so is almost everyone in America
All the Christian heroes were the biggest badasses though
And yes Jewish history is hardship after hardship and has made their culture ultra resilient
Christian history is too, but the thing with Christianity is it’s not a culture in the same way as an ethnic culture is.
Open borders are great in an economy/government without any welfare change my mind
Because those who come must submit to the rule of the land: capitalism and it’s values
And when there aren’t enough jobs they will stop coming
No welfare -> immigrants have to work and help the economy or leave
And well, maybe free flow of ideas is a good thing, as long as everyone shares the values that capitalism forces on you
What’s the essence of their system @Obungus ?
Without immigration what do you do when there’s a shortage of labor?
Like the west will have a crazy demographic imbalance soon
When the West keeps replacing itself at less than 50% (I don’t remember exact number)
That’s an economic issue waiting to happen
They have a really violent history with Islam too
How do you think USA can solve its future demographic issues
Aside from getting people to value family again, assuming we can’t do that
Immigration is a good argument to fix that imo
If we have a way to incentivize immigrants to like western values and contribute to economy
You do one of those by removing welfare
Yeah without English speaking or always having the same value system (a lot due to welfare state) it could become an issue
when you have to add regulation on top of regulation to deal with the regulation it becomes hell
And this would be too subjective and up for interpretation
This is why I brought up open borders plus zero welfare state
immigrants can come in but there is no support system for them
Then supply and demand dictates how many immigrants want to come in
And immigrants have to speak the language and adopt the basic values of the land to make it (keep a job)
It seems like the market can just regulate how many workers are in it, right?
And those who come in and can't support themselves, well, they will have to leave or be homeless. Reality is harsh.
I see how it makes people work but I don't necessarily see how it forces people to learn english and adopt western values
But maybe that isn't necessary, maybe it's ok to have chinatowns and spanishtowns and muslimtowns if there's no support system and just the law and the market
ok, can you break down your reasoning please
the way I see it immigrants can fulfill an economic need especially when a country isn't replacing itself fast enough (US) and balance out demographic issues that lead to not enough workforce
the problem is when they have opposing values or don't work
yes but WHY do they drag the economy down?
what if they didn't get welfare and tax money
and they had to contribute, leave, or die
The only people dragging the economy down are the people who create less dollars in the economy than their life takes away.
but i am pretty convinced that anyone who matches the country's language, values, and works is a positive
"black people" being a problem is due to welfare state.
Look at the timing of the black family being crushed.
Yes. You should watch some Thomas Sowell from the 70s. He says the same thing.
Right when the black family started to break statistically
vobeyo please look at the single-parent home statistics
and see that it coincides almost exactly with the increase of the welfare state
you give any people all the free shit and it actually *breaks* them
and yes, there is an argument for IQ, genetics, and race realism.
But can you please explain why the black family functioned well before the welfare state
black single parent home percentage over time
giving a people group extra free shit actually breaks that people group
There *is* a separate point about Race and IQ which is true and really sucks. IQ is largely genetic. And racial history is genetic history. Jews and asians for example have the highest aggregate IQs.
Vobeyo is basing his arguments exclusively on this to say 'black people hopeless yo lololol'
And you can find sooo many lower IQ people who succeed.
If not succeed, they contribute to society.
I for one enjoy the internet, it's the only place people feel free to argue these opinions
reality is tragic, wrong, and harmful. And IQ does change between races. And it unfortunately must be talked about it.
However, it does not change the value of humans whatsoever.
And people of lower IQ can contribute and be stable
@Roman Dmowski how much factor do you think the 'brain drain' has on modern africa?
e.g., all smart people can get out and go to a better place
This video is an explanation of it in a few minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
Vobeyo do you have an opinion on the 'brain drain' point?
Those who are very smart and skilled in Africa don't stay because they can get to the west and the west lets them in
because we like to let smart people in obviously
let's say IQ is a really big deal and a big reason
The 130-150 IQ people in Africa are able to be relatively successful there and gather enough money to leave
and they do, because they can be wayyyyyyyyyy better off
that skilled immigration is immoral and hurts other countries
I've worked with several smart indian and asian immigrants who contribute so much value
If you can have a top 1% worker in any industry working with you
@Roman Dmowski let's say skilled immigrants are 0.01% of immigrants.
In that case, it makes no difference demographically.
look he's a racist we can argue "but muh racist"
via skilled immigrant visas (easier to get), we immigrate only the top 5% workers from any industry
let's say asian, indian, african. the non-whites
let's say you bring in the top 5% workers who will contribute 10x the value.
in my industry we call them '10x developers'
what if they help work for some of the companies that help consumers the most?
and contribute some of the most to US GDP and US economy
The funny thing about capitlism is, when you work in the economy and follow the rules of the economy, you automatically have to submit to the rules of the value of the individual on some level
let's say we only allow skilled immigrants vobeyo
there aren't enough of them to develop racial tribes
I'm trying to paint a world where you would agree with some immigration lol
even in the case where they are skilled immigrant visas (approximating that definition to top 5% workers in any industry)
How do you think japan can get over its demographic issues in 30 years?
When the ratio of old:young people is almost unbearable
people able to work and contribute versus consumers
he's using race realism to justify all of it
and also the argument for monoculture societies makes sense
But is monoculture about race, or is it about ideas?
I think a country has to be a monoculture in a sense to succeed
monoculture = shared values that don't change. Can a human of any race adopt the same values?
he's using average IQ to justify all of this
however average IQ isn't enough to go this far
An IQ number is *something* and it matters
however it does not predicate that a human of a different race cannot adopt shared values
vobeyo, the only part of your argument that is inherent is average IQ across races. Which, yes, is (on average) lower in blacks. And IQ is 80% genetic as far as we know.
since you're arguing about inherent value in humans
what is the "ability to form successful societies/cultures" made up of?
random mutations are random and won't become part of the dominant race without intense eugenic breeding horizon
@Roman Dmowski let's assume 'ability to create an advanced culture' is based upon IQ. Do you think that could be accurate?
how do you explain the mass of white people with IQ below 100 who have adopted the values of western culture that were invented by great philosophers?
that lower IQ people can still adopt a culture, intelligence of their own aside
@Deleted User in english are you trying to say that people adapt to/adopt the culture that is the majority around them?
Any individual human will act according to ideas they adopt
An individual human of any race is not hardcoded with these ideas
And you could take a human of every major racial group with the same IQ and give them the same ideas, and maybe you would have similar outcomes
I'm sticking on IQ because according to psych it's one of the best predictors of life success we have
Any individual in a group is held up by the average of that group
Kind of my point too, really, any individual in a group adopts the ideas of that group
And what if the correct classification for a group is not race but shared cultural ideas
And heck deviation from the mean is very likely correlated with IQ again
what culture is still around today really lol
enlightenment culture is the only thing still around
what cultures have prospered in recent times
"So to you guys who are not for the racialist perspective, are you okay with us whites having our own state for whites only? It will be peacefully made and ran."
I'd be interested in an anarcho-capitalist state with relatively open borders
supply and demand judging how many people want to come in
and come in and succeed, or die without resources
I think stopping the brain drain would help a lot (stop stealing all the smart people from countries like Africa who would be entrepeneurs, inventors, etc)
and .. well, there's a lot of money to be made in africa if you want to help
and you want to go there and be an entrepeneur
and navigate the politics and bribing you'll have to do
The overabundance of government charity doesn't really fix things longterm, unfortunately
Charity pays you to do whatever you're doing right now
and those who need charity the most are usually living in the most destructive matter
but there's careful charity, coupled with education, choosing the right people
private charity tries to use its money well
public government charity is blind and doesn't care enough to choose the right people
@Deleted User I would like to try all of it, honestly
The 0 immigration, open borders, and something in between
I **don't** think immigration is the biggest issue facing us today
I **do** think it's closer to too much government charity
I think if you remove government charity from our country alone it would help the most
If the EU removed welfare and kept the open borders 90% of people would stop coming
right now poor people go to the EU because they'll get free shit
IQ is 70%+ heritable, in the most generous case, as far as I know and from what I've read
and 70% is generous, I think it's more like 80
Can confirm I’m at the top of my industry and the Jews pay me shekels to stay quiet
Many of the people at the top of my industry or any are Jews actually. But they work fucking hard and deserve to be there
Cant think of one I know who I would say is lying or manipulating
If you become successful you’ll meet a lot of Jews compared to population percentages
But maybe it has a lot to do with IQ and survival culture
You can’t find a period of history more than a couple hundred years where someone somewhere wasn’t trying to genocide jews
I did a report on it in high school and read a lot about it
Intense push push survive survive is deep in their culture
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