And Germany? A country that for centuries has been geopolitically aligned?

Are they nations or not?

One is fragmented and the other is not artificial by any means.

So in your fruitcake worldview, there is no such thing as a German nationalist.

uhhhhh no??? Where did I imply that?

How can there be nationalists for a nation that does not exist

Germany is not an artificial nation. It has a shared history, borders, and culture. That makes it a nation.

America is an artificial nation, built on shared ideals rather than a history or culture. The longer it existed the more 'natural' it became.

Italy on the other hand is pretty different from Germany. Corsica and Sicily being the outstanding examples, as well as the north-south divide.

Historically wrong about America as it was by and for whites and not abstract ideals but anywho.

Sardinia I mean.

But Corsica as well, even though not a part of Italy.

My point is that a collective white identity and white national spirit are entirely possible.

Not ideal though. Idealism is the glue that held America as a nation together, not race. It's artificial and it's fucked.

Maybe you have the vision that America started off as a white nationalist juggernaut that slaughtered its way west in the name of the glorious white race but that's not entirely correct.

Right. So you hate on America for being artificial and “fucked”, but you won’t support the opposite, which is a nation nation of ethnic Americans, for reals.

I would if America was a real nation, but if you want to play a game of a million hypotheticals you can arbitrate whatever you want.

White America is a real nation.

white america!!!

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Yes, white america is a real nation.

You say it goes deeper than skin color but in this case it really doesn't. It's a bunch of immigrants with nothing in common except skin color, lumped together and held together by the American Dream.

And funnily enough immigrants don't readily integrate, they stick to their own. Funny how that works.

Are you denying race?

Funny how Italians, Greeks, Jews, Irish, a million others formed their own communities.

I'm saying you're using it superficially.

Italians didn't integrate because America was white buddy.

Yeah they did. Most Italian America culture now is godfather movies and eating ice cream. White America is a thing.

What? Italians integrated because America was white and they were white? Not because of idealism?

Yes.

Even though that as the entire fucking basis of the "melting pot" and has been a talking point for American propaganda since the country was founded.

Now it's my turn to say you're naive and you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

Here comes the butthurt.

Historically America has always been a white nation specifically for whites.

I think you overestimate how inflammatory being wrong about something is.

Even the phrase “melting pot” comes from the line “a melting pot of all the races of *Europe*”.

yes American idealism is part of the American identity. But white america is a voting block and ethnic group in and of itself now.

Yes, nobody is denying immigration was mostly restricted to white countries. But this wasn't out of racial idealism and the creation of a white ethnostate, it was just out of hating darkies.

Actually it was a racial idealism. That’s what “for ourselves and our posterity” means.

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