Not ideal though. Idealism is the glue that held America as a nation together, not race. It's artificial and it's fucked.

Maybe you have the vision that America started off as a white nationalist juggernaut that slaughtered its way west in the name of the glorious white race but that's not entirely correct.

Right. So you hate on America for being artificial and “fucked”, but you won’t support the opposite, which is a nation nation of ethnic Americans, for reals.

I would if America was a real nation, but if you want to play a game of a million hypotheticals you can arbitrate whatever you want.

White America is a real nation.

white america!!!

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Yes, white america is a real nation.

You say it goes deeper than skin color but in this case it really doesn't. It's a bunch of immigrants with nothing in common except skin color, lumped together and held together by the American Dream.

And funnily enough immigrants don't readily integrate, they stick to their own. Funny how that works.

Are you denying race?

Funny how Italians, Greeks, Jews, Irish, a million others formed their own communities.

I'm saying you're using it superficially.

Italians didn't integrate because America was white buddy.

Yeah they did. Most Italian America culture now is godfather movies and eating ice cream. White America is a thing.

What? Italians integrated because America was white and they were white? Not because of idealism?

Yes.

Even though that as the entire fucking basis of the "melting pot" and has been a talking point for American propaganda since the country was founded.

Now it's my turn to say you're naive and you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

Here comes the butthurt.

Historically America has always been a white nation specifically for whites.

I think you overestimate how inflammatory being wrong about something is.

Even the phrase “melting pot” comes from the line “a melting pot of all the races of *Europe*”.

yes American idealism is part of the American identity. But white america is a voting block and ethnic group in and of itself now.

Yes, nobody is denying immigration was mostly restricted to white countries. But this wasn't out of racial idealism and the creation of a white ethnostate, it was just out of hating darkies.

Actually it was a racial idealism. That’s what “for ourselves and our posterity” means.

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You can deduce whatever you mean from sayings, but it would be neat-o if you could cite some mainstream contemporary literature corroborating your claims.

I think “Waking up from the american dream” by Greg Hood has a lot of material on this. There are also other pieces floating around dealing with American ethnic identity, especially by Lawrence Murray.

Oh. Mainstream. Well, you won’t find anything in the mainstream because the mainstream doesn’t print what it calls “white supremacists”.

Anyway, I think it’s pretty obvious that white america is a thing and an ethnic identity.

So the entire country was founded by white supremacists, on white supremacist ideals, yet nobody was writing about it for fear of offending the darkies at the time?

And if you want to cite something not mainstream, that's the equivalent of using Evola as a poster boy for fascist Italy.

If it's as widespread and apparent as you claim it is, rather than post hoc interpretations of history that fit your narrative, you shouldn't have trouble finding someone writing about it.

Sigh

So you can't?

be bothered

Didn't think so. Because it is a post hoc interpretation of history that fits your narrative. All you have is the fact that people were racist. Everybody was racist.

People were racist before a nation as we would define it today existed in the middle ages.

Against other whites no less.