couldn't be a SBC church

I'm a primitive baptist @Alexander

Are you really a PB? I was a PB.

Yeah

I converted out of the catholic church

then became a sedevacantist

then a PB

What does your PB church teach about justification? Most PBs believe in the doctrine of justification from eternity (J from E). Have you heard of it?

You mean like persevereance of the saints?

No. They hold that the elect were never *not* justified. John Gill, William Eyre, Tobias Crisp, John Brine, etc.

It's interesting

haha

The elect have to be justified

by jesus christ out lord

Because The Lord does not despise them

@Alexander God doesn't love everyone

psalms 5:5 is a good example

Yeah, I agree. I've been going through some doctrinal trouble. In the past while I've been falling into dangerous heresy. So, I am going back to my KJV Baptist church that I haven't been attending in awhile.

Do you agree with all of the points of calvanism?

I would say that I agree with all points, except I think that the Canons of Dort (where we get TULIP from), understands limited atonement differently than most calvinists today.

I think Christ made a sufficient sacrifice for all, but an efficacious one for the elect only.

I only agree with T, U and L

I and P dont make sense because of Rev 3:20

@Alexander

Jesus Knocks we must answer

I've been really struggling on P. Which part of it are you struggling with?

A. the idea that the saints will remain in faith and obedience
B. the idea that the saints will never lose their salvation

b

and a

really both of them

You have to strive to be in the elect

you don't just get it

Also it's not just 144,000

There's a way you can deny the perseverance of the saints without being a heretic. You would have to do it like the Lutherans, though. They argue that, if we are united to Christ and enjoy his benefits by faith, then those who lose faith detach themselves from him. So, mostly apostasy would be the only thing that would cause one to lose salvation.

Rev 7 just says "sealed"

Jesus knocks we must answer

@Alexander

I haven't studied that passage much.

Also people can reject gods message

even if it is given by him

thus voiding I

The problem is most PB's are very concentrated

Most churches are on delaware river and north florida