Message from @Da_Fish
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Lol, yeah Ik.
Really
couldn't be a SBC church
I'm a primitive baptist @Alexander
Are you really a PB? I was a PB.
Yeah
I converted out of the catholic church
then became a sedevacantist
then a PB
What does your PB church teach about justification? Most PBs believe in the doctrine of justification from eternity (J from E). Have you heard of it?
You mean like persevereance of the saints?
No. They hold that the elect were never *not* justified. John Gill, William Eyre, Tobias Crisp, John Brine, etc.
It's interesting
haha
The elect have to be justified
by jesus christ out lord
Because The Lord does not despise them
@Alexander God doesn't love everyone
psalms 5:5 is a good example
Yeah, I agree. I've been going through some doctrinal trouble. In the past while I've been falling into dangerous heresy. So, I am going back to my KJV Baptist church that I haven't been attending in awhile.
I would say that I agree with all points, except I think that the Canons of Dort (where we get TULIP from), understands limited atonement differently than most calvinists today.
I think Christ made a sufficient sacrifice for all, but an efficacious one for the elect only.
I only agree with T, U and L
I and P dont make sense because of Rev 3:20
Jesus Knocks we must answer
I've been really struggling on P. Which part of it are you struggling with?
A. the idea that the saints will remain in faith and obedience
B. the idea that the saints will never lose their salvation
b
and a
really both of them
You have to strive to be in the elect
you don't just get it
Also it's not just 144,000
There's a way you can deny the perseverance of the saints without being a heretic. You would have to do it like the Lutherans, though. They argue that, if we are united to Christ and enjoy his benefits by faith, then those who lose faith detach themselves from him. So, mostly apostasy would be the only thing that would cause one to lose salvation.
Rev 7 just says "sealed"
Jesus knocks we must answer
I haven't studied that passage much.
Also people can reject gods message
even if it is given by him
thus voiding I