Message from @ccalvaru
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its deluded
Its spirituality is not valid i'd argue
If so, a bunch of faggot molestors are successors of the Apostles? (to the apostle issue)
If you're actually interested
ill read
"VICARIVS FILII DEI." -- V-5, I-1; C-100, I-1; V-S, I-1; L-50, I-1; I-1; D-500, I-l — Total, 666.
Do you condemn the apostles because of the actions of Judas?
"2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him." How this have to do anything with apostle succession
◄ 2 Thessalonians 2:15 ►
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
You shouldn't condemn the entirety of Catholicism because of the actions of evil people within the religions.
again these 2 have nothing to do with apostle succession
Thats the evidence your link gives
"We passed onto you"
"Brothers and sisters"
It addresses everyone
Not one person to keep passing it
As far as i see, so far, the apostle succession theory is still invalid
Acts 1:21-26 New International Version (NIV)
21 Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us,22 beginning from John’s baptismA)" style="font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; vertical-align: top;"> to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witnessB)" style="font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; vertical-align: top;"> with us of his resurrection.”
23 So they nominated two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. 24 Then they prayed,C)" style="font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; vertical-align: top;"> “Lord, you know everyone’s heart.D)" style="font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; vertical-align: top;"> Show usE)" style="font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; vertical-align: top;"> which of these two you have chosen 25 to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.” 26 Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
This is Acts 1:21-26
reading
The apostles were given very clear offices/positions, by Christ Himself. When there was a vacancy left by Judas, the apostles immediately appointed his successor.
"Apostolic ministry" is pretty clear and unambigous.
It makes it out to keep the 12, 12, until their death, is their any indication, which i am currently unaware of, that they continued this replacing beyond this?
The replacing was simply to keep the 12, until they all died, but i see no current evidence of this going on (in the bible) beyond.
[different topic, but still relevent -----> In 1870 Pope Pius IX proclaimed the principial of Papal Infallibility, This is a blasphemy and the sign of the antichrist predicted by St. Paul]
There's also the number of the beast, 666.
Which, if you take the Pope's title
"VICARIVS FILII DEI."
V-5,
I-1;
C-100,
I-1;
V-S,
I-1;
L-50,
I-1;
I-1
; D-500,
I-l
— Total, 666.
Okay so onto apostolic succession, yes there is historical evidence of this practice written about in the Early Church.
I said mentioned in the bible.
Historical Events are not automatically christian doctrine
"But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul—that church which has the tradition and the faith with which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. For with this Church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world. And it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition"
This is St. Iraneus writing in AD 189
reading
Again, tradition is *not* on equal authority to the bible
And the fact this writing is made by a catholic member, and is extremely egotistical, i consider dangerous behavior.
Please address the papal infallibility and the pope's title "coincidence"
Vicarius Filii Dei is not a title of the Pope, and even if it was, you are just playing games with numbers, many names can add up to 666. Likely 666 was Nero.
(reminder that 75% of roman catholic rituals and traditions are of pagan origin)
papal infallibility