I don’t understand how anyone can engage civilly with this utter mediocrity @εïз irma εïз

Electorally it was Lincoln, Breckinridge, Bell, Douglas

That seems to be a problem unique to you, Otter.

Seems like more people than just me want you to stay in your lane

In all reality civil war would’ve happened no matter who the president was

Maybe you can start a club.

It would be a healthy outlet.

@Deleted User you haven’t uttered one argument so far

I only hear insults

I made several arguments

You just cannot read can you?

*another insult*

@εïз irma εïз you can’t make this shit up

I repeated one of my arguments twice

He's just a troll.

Don't assume rationality.

Because idiots like you scroll too fast and don’t read my arguments

And fixate on me calling out an ignoramus like irma

Give me an argument on the importance of slavery to the average Union or Confederate citizen

I never made that argument

That’s what you’re arguing

You aren’t reading

Well I did say why it was important to the average Southerner, but honestly it wasn't crazy support.

Many Southerers were also resentful of the aristocratic slaveholders.

Her original claim was that it wasn’t politically important to the north

@εïз irma εïз it wasn’t really, it was seen as the natural order of things

Then she shifted the narrative onto the average citizen

“The Civil War was about slavery to the south but didn't become an issue for the North until 1863.”

This is her original statement

The natural order argument didn't spring out of nothing though.

And it’s patently false

Radical Abolitionists did not hold power until the end of the war

You allowed her to shift the frame because you don’t read carefully

None of the 1860 election candidates proposed banning slavery entirely

I was talking specifically about the context of the war if you look at the larger conversation, and I have since repeatedly clarified that going as far back as to the independence of America.

You can't seem to move past that.

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You are making these adjustments to your arguments ad hoc

Whereas your arguments have been?

Lincoln wanted it banned in all western territories, Douglas wanted self determination, Bell wanted whatever compromise would keep the union together, Breckinridge wanted its expansion regardless of the popular opinion

Directly responding to your initial claims