Mine was that it mattered to the political class almost exclusively

And I explained why slavery was a nonissue for everyone except the South for the duration of the war.

Until 1863 anyways.

So Otter is saying I meant before the Civil War even though the context is clear.

I disagree, the political class yes however, as you said the opinion of regular southerners ranged from apathy to a slight resentment

@εïз irma εïз

If you look at songs from the time the lyrics indicated that they felt the north was trying to subjugate the south

Southern support for the war itself was widespread, for slavery it was significant.

Yeah the South had always felt removed from slavery that the North tried to politically dominate it.

“Before the south shall bow her head, before the tyrants harm us I’ll give my all to the southern cause and die in the southern army”

That’s from southern solider

A popular song at the time

Doesn’t speak about keeping salves

Slaves

Just about resisting the tyrannical north

Yeah but you can't ignore that it was an issue for the average Southerner, which was an agrarian society. Many saw it as a method of upward mobility, many had a handful of slaves, and many resented it.

It wouldn't make sense even if every Southerner supported slavery to make it a part of a nationalist song.

Would be in poor taste.

Only 3% of southerners had slaves according to the 1850 census

So that alone is not a great argument.

I would disagree because most of the southern working class didn’t like big wig slave oweners

Source for that census?

@Da_Fish you are a creature driven purely by vanity... and crippled by laziness and fundamental stupidity

A cursory Google search traces that figure to an internet meme and confirms my statement.

Numbers are placed at between 1/4 and 1/3 from what I'm seeing.

https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial-census/decade/decennial-publications.1860.html

@εïз irma εïз

Just about 4%

Where on this page does it actually say thatm

Am I missing it because I'm on mobile?

http://www.civil-war.net/pages/1860_census.html

This website breaks it down by state.

Countrywide average of 8%, by individual state slaveholding states look at about 25% on average.

@εïз irma εïз https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1864/dec/1860a.html Broken down here by state or territory

Kinda hard to view the text though

@Deleted User If only you had a quarter arguments for every insult

But where does the figure of 3% actually come from?

Politifact, loathe as I am to cite them, breaks it down.

The 3% figure is counting individuals apparently m

The number I cited by state counts households.

Mystery solved gang.