So the conservatives defend it

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hot take

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That's why conservativism is insufficient

Social conservatism calls for pre-sjw social systems

Not current preservation

It presumes that maintaining the status quo is always good

Eurosceptic populists need to take over the whole thing

with their indecisiveness

Eurosceptic Populism better win

I think we assumed conservative would always refer to a certain old school right wing style of governence

I did

We've past that point now

There's no right wing left to preserve. A right wing must be created from scratch

I mean th issue is that just because something is labeled X doesnt mean it adheres to X

The best government is the one that does nothing, doesn't mettle in your life, and only defends your freedom and nation

You can essentially have a conservative party that is beyond left wing

This right wing will not have any support from traditional institutions

It will be rebellious

minarchism gang @campodin

Generally speaking the idea of conservatism is weak because it ceases to push, and rather because it has the same principles and philosophicla foundation as the left (in many cases) it will constantly slip

which is what we observe

Yes, @Bogatyr Bogumir gets it

I mean a thought leader doesn't think in terms of maintaining gains

He's always pushing forward

Like the Left

Logically they've been winning so many big issues for so long that they should be satisfied to just maintain their gains but they will never be satisfied

This why populist leaders like trump and salvini are winning

That's why they win: they think like winners

true, ive noticed that you cant 1) define yourself based on your enemy, you need your own thing 2) you need a vision that you constantly push towards, because forces need to be opposing to stop the progress of either side and need to be superior to move it. 3) Once you reach your goal you need to establish systems of maintenance and continuaosly strive towards the goal as if it had not been reached.

I am confident that any future right wing victories will need to be independent of conservativism and rather be constantly pushing to radically change society

Status quo ante has more power to it

I agree, they will be seperate from conservatism and even paint conservatism as permissiveness to societal decline

The biggest hurdle will be to escape the assumption that the right wing is conservative and has support from the establishment. This way of thinking is wrong and dangerous

a very aggressive however succesful stance, a lot depends on how they list their principles and how they advertise themselves and if they can keep the fringe elements under absolute control

I for example wrote up 12 of my own principles, using the symbology of 12 as structure and order and a new beginning and use the 13th principle as something that is malleable (only malleable nad universla principle) and allows me to take and often keep the moral high ground

How do you keep the fringe under control while not punching right?

@campodin how did the Left pull it off?

You basically say "You can be part of the movement, however dont do anyhting stupid or we will kick you out, and you dont get the microphone"

They didn't show up in Protestant, old school US as open Marxists