Message from @MinecraftMemer

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2018-11-22 22:30:33 UTC  

I don't see how poor people destroy a country.

2018-11-22 22:30:51 UTC  

Unless you are using redistribution, poor people at worst do nothing.

2018-11-22 22:30:52 UTC  

Because poor people are bad with money

2018-11-22 22:31:03 UTC  

They can't innovate and invest

2018-11-22 22:31:09 UTC  

They are essentially dead weight

2018-11-22 22:31:16 UTC  

But they don't go out of their way to harm the economy.

2018-11-22 22:31:28 UTC  

They harm it regardless of their intentions

2018-11-22 22:31:38 UTC  

And how do they harm it?

2018-11-22 22:31:47 UTC  

By existing?

2018-11-22 22:32:27 UTC  

Welfare consumption, foreign and domestic aid, not working and supporting the market

2018-11-22 22:32:52 UTC  

But welfare and aid are because governments and cultures CHOOSE to pursue welfare and aid.

2018-11-22 22:33:06 UTC  

Those are leftist economic choices, not intrinsic to the poor.

2018-11-22 22:33:20 UTC  

@MinecraftMemer in attempt to lift them out of poorness so they can contribute to the economy

2018-11-22 22:33:35 UTC  

If we do nothing, they won't harm the economy.

2018-11-22 22:33:40 UTC  

They'll just remain poor.

2018-11-22 22:34:03 UTC  

It lowers the social health

2018-11-22 22:34:16 UTC  

So the issue isn't welfare?

2018-11-22 22:34:17 UTC  

Which is proven to reduce morale

2018-11-22 22:34:36 UTC  

Welfare is an issue because it doesn't sufficiently lift people out of poverty

2018-11-22 22:34:53 UTC  

Therefore it's a misallocation of money and resources

2018-11-22 22:34:56 UTC  

So then why have welfare in the first place?

2018-11-22 22:34:59 UTC  

It's a waste

2018-11-22 22:35:15 UTC  

@MinecraftMemer because it's good for re-election

2018-11-22 22:35:38 UTC  

So you're suggesting elections are the problems?

2018-11-22 22:35:38 UTC  

I prefer job fairs over welfare

2018-11-22 22:35:50 UTC  

Elections are a problem yes

2018-11-22 22:35:58 UTC  

Temporarily anyways

2018-11-22 22:36:11 UTC  

Democracy is dangerous to competent statecraft because it forces every political decision to be lowered to a level of stupidity that the masses can understand.

2018-11-22 22:36:18 UTC  

If welfare is intrinsic to democracies, then it would be logical to have a different style of government.

2018-11-22 22:36:34 UTC  

In that case, we would have monarchies.

2018-11-22 22:36:43 UTC  

I disagree

2018-11-22 22:37:02 UTC  

Monarchies are almost never concerned about their nation

2018-11-22 22:37:14 UTC  

I would say quite the opposite.

2018-11-22 22:37:16 UTC  

Nationalism is incompatible with monarchies

2018-11-22 22:37:28 UTC  

Nationalism did not exist during the age of monarchs

2018-11-22 22:37:34 UTC  

This is history

2018-11-22 22:37:34 UTC  

Monarchies are probably the MOST concerned for the long term welfare of citizens.

2018-11-22 22:38:04 UTC  

You need a strong, but empathetic, temporary dictatorship

2018-11-22 22:38:18 UTC  

Why not a permanent monarch?

2018-11-22 22:38:19 UTC  

Or an oligarchy of 3-4

2018-11-22 22:38:35 UTC  

Have you ever read Hans-Hermann Hoppe?