Well, the debate about progress is meaningless in cyclical view because there is no such thing as progress

and i disagree with cyclical history aswell

Lol, how do you view history?

in my mind

The only way to get better is to look at what worked and why and what didnt work and why

then to mix it with modern ideals that work

to try and find something better

to rinse and repeat till you reach utopia

but

that every nation can improve itself without making conditions worse in other nations

Hmm... Well, the point is that what works is ok for some people and not for others. There is hardly any system that is good for everybody.

not really

its more

there is a system that is good for everyone

but it hasnt been made yet

its currently in development

Ok, tell me do you think that sodomy, fornication and adultery - would any of these be illegal in your concept of an ideal world?

yes

These were results from my political test

so yh

And would not that harm gays, youth and adulterous people? They would wish otherwise

Because we now have plenty of those, they would never want to live in your system

Adulterous people are horrible people to begin with

and everyone would agree even they would

so thats not a problem

That is not true. I was seeing data on France and half of people think adultery is ok

Yh but

how many french would say the same if it happened to them

Well, they are doing it anyways. Around 60% of them are unfaithful to their partners, estimates suggest. By partners, I mean even live in and other committed relationships

oof

Well, what I am just saying is that the only way forward is when the society destroys itself and hedonistic people would either be conquered or die off

I think you'd find that hedonists would change before dying

yes

Lol, I don't think so. Why did other societies lose out then?

because they never got the chance

which other societies do you mean

primitives?

humanity was far far more violent in the past

Rome? Greek?

How many cities were completely destroyed and their entire populations destroyed because they were born believing in the wrong god