Message from @Bernard

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2018-12-07 16:14:14 UTC  

You’ve said things that are generally authoritarian

2018-12-07 16:14:22 UTC  

That’s not how that works

2018-12-07 16:14:31 UTC  

The regulation was all applied to the workers

2018-12-07 16:14:35 UTC  

“What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive.”

2018-12-07 16:14:38 UTC  

thats a misrepresentation tho because mutualism is market-neutral

2018-12-07 16:14:41 UTC  
2018-12-07 16:14:45 UTC  

@ritasuma there would be no free market then

2018-12-07 16:14:46 UTC  

lol

2018-12-07 16:14:47 UTC  

To reduce worker power was massively important

2018-12-07 16:14:58 UTC  

Except hitler created trade unions

2018-12-07 16:15:00 UTC  

Keeping the companies secure and dominant over employees was essential

2018-12-07 16:15:02 UTC  

German Labour Front

2018-12-07 16:15:05 UTC  

ahah

2018-12-07 16:15:12 UTC  

@Bernard i am far oversimplifying

2018-12-07 16:15:14 UTC  

Yes he did, and they were massively beneficial to the companies again

2018-12-07 16:15:17 UTC  

plus i dont know enough

2018-12-07 16:15:18 UTC  

But yes companies were over regulated

2018-12-07 16:15:26 UTC  

They had no independent complaints process

2018-12-07 16:15:28 UTC  

the state controlled the economy big time due to state intervention

2018-12-07 16:15:29 UTC  

They could not strike

2018-12-07 16:15:39 UTC  

private property is always defined by the government because u rely on its protection to retain ur property unless ur living in anarchism <:GWfroggyBlobThonk:400751075776397322>

2018-12-07 16:15:48 UTC  

They were entirely dominated by the Nazis and they would force people to join the party to be accepted

2018-12-07 16:16:01 UTC  

what were dominated by the Nazis ?

2018-12-07 16:16:07 UTC  

The trade unions

2018-12-07 16:16:12 UTC  

Yes they created them

2018-12-07 16:16:12 UTC  

Which are supposed to be worker controlled

2018-12-07 16:16:20 UTC  

Not always

2018-12-07 16:16:30 UTC  

thats the definition of a trade union isnt it

2018-12-07 16:16:34 UTC  

They were dominated by party members and leaders, who looked out for the Nazi government, who were looking out for

2018-12-07 16:16:36 UTC  

Come on

2018-12-07 16:16:37 UTC  

Say it

2018-12-07 16:16:39 UTC  

Not neccisarly

2018-12-07 16:16:41 UTC  

The big companies

2018-12-07 16:16:46 UTC  

Yes neccesarily

2018-12-07 16:16:51 UTC  

And the companies were over regulated by the state

2018-12-07 16:16:52 UTC  

I’ve studied the German Labour Front

2018-12-07 16:17:03 UTC  

I said they don’t have to be owned by the workers all the time

2018-12-07 16:17:05 UTC  

It was an attempt to prevent striking and worker disharmony

2018-12-07 16:17:09 UTC  

Private or state can do it

2018-12-07 16:17:18 UTC  

Because German conditions were generally pretty shit

2018-12-07 16:17:21 UTC  

For the average worker