Message from @Farao Ramses II

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2019-08-04 18:38:49 UTC  

yo

2019-08-04 18:39:06 UTC  

not much, in Politics arguing about gun shit

2019-08-04 18:39:27 UTC  

btw got a debate question @everyone can Foucault's theories be applied to Authoritarianism?

2019-08-04 18:39:35 UTC  

lol

2019-08-04 18:40:12 UTC  

I've written an essay describing why they can, lemme find it

2019-08-04 18:44:40 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526921073397071892/607645097282240542/foucauldian_christianity.docx

2019-08-04 19:35:28 UTC  

hello there. new here, read rules and roles. how to start doing staff? what topics are the most discussed and/or "main"?

2019-08-04 20:17:14 UTC  

we just go from point to point

2019-08-04 20:18:22 UTC  

@Farao Ramses II race realism like 19th century anthropology is actually becoming more popular within the scientific consensus due to genetic research being done and PCA analysis on fst distance

2019-08-04 20:18:49 UTC  

Intriguing.

2019-08-04 20:18:59 UTC  

19th century anthropology is being vindicated

2019-08-04 20:18:59 UTC  

I believed we discussed that before though.

2019-08-04 20:19:03 UTC  

maybe

2019-08-04 20:19:17 UTC  

We talked about sub-populations and what not.

2019-08-04 20:21:01 UTC  

I don't recall the exact details or meat of the conversation, but I do recall that it didn't change my stance in regard to my politics, considering an appeal to the science was very much an appeal to nature.

2019-08-04 20:21:41 UTC  

In other words: to me it seems like one giant naturalistic fallacy.

2019-08-04 20:22:30 UTC  

no, not really, categories are only justified through the utility but the common argument against race realism is that it doesnt comport with nature

2019-08-04 20:22:36 UTC  

now its obvious it does

2019-08-04 20:22:53 UTC  

now what you ought to do with that information is different

2019-08-04 20:23:04 UTC  

I conceded that point to an extend if I recall correctly. But again: unclear on the details.

2019-08-04 20:23:30 UTC  

but whatever utility you do or dont derive, the category agrees with ontological justified categories of observation

2019-08-04 20:24:06 UTC  

To me it seems silly we should enforce any racial policy solely based on the fact that apparently their are some real genetic differences between certain races/sub-populations.

2019-08-04 20:24:51 UTC  

sure, i wont contest what you think ought to be done or not on tis

2019-08-04 20:25:57 UTC  

And I won't contest the science of apparent genetic differences between certain races/sub-populations, for I am no genetic scientist.

2019-08-04 20:26:17 UTC  

Nor am I all too well informed on the subject.

2019-08-04 20:28:09 UTC  

It's just that I deem people's individual liberties to be of more import. Unless you could demonstrate to me that having such genetically diverse sub-populations live together in one society, would be catastrophic, I am not convinced we ought to worry all that much.

2019-08-04 20:28:59 UTC  

And that being catastrophic solely or mostly due to their severe genetic differences, I have to clarify.

2019-08-04 20:29:50 UTC  

it has a negative effect on social cohesion, political stability and positive political participation

2019-08-04 20:30:01 UTC  

but you probably care for liberty more

2019-08-04 20:30:04 UTC  

which is fair enough

2019-08-04 20:30:19 UTC  

Social cohesion was fucked before the brown people arrived, so I am not that worried.

2019-08-04 20:30:46 UTC  

if you accept the iq evaluations then it affects crime rate, poverty, productivity and so on

2019-08-04 20:31:47 UTC  

I am not so certain about those though. Besides, there are plenty a white population filled with mentally underdeveloped folks, so yeah.

2019-08-04 20:32:06 UTC  

Although that is an anecdotal argument.

2019-08-04 20:32:10 UTC  

Still.

2019-08-04 20:32:36 UTC  

I see humans foremost as individuals and will judge them based on their individual character and individual abilities.

2019-08-04 20:32:37 UTC  

iq isnt concrete across ethnicities, its average

2019-08-04 20:33:02 UTC  

I am not following that statement, please clarify.

2019-08-04 20:34:29 UTC  

so basically of course youll see differences within a common population, some white people with higher and some white people with lower iq

2019-08-04 20:34:40 UTC  

Ah, in that sense.