Message from @LoJ

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2018-05-31 16:13:34 UTC  

that we can get anything for granted because we are mere mortals

2018-05-31 16:13:47 UTC  

but it's an argument he's pushing with analysis

2018-05-31 16:13:56 UTC  

the whole introduction of the summa contra gentiles says it

2018-05-31 16:14:15 UTC  

"nothing can be proven thus here are arguments why I believe this to be true"

2018-05-31 16:14:45 UTC  

What I'm stating is though he views religion with an analytical view point, Aristotle questioned everything and made no incorruptible premise

2018-05-31 16:15:16 UTC  

ok yeah i stand with you on that, but the thomist methodology and dialectics follows aristotle

2018-05-31 16:15:34 UTC  

like "with reason i can prove that god is real with the philosopher's dialectics"

2018-05-31 16:15:47 UTC  

it's more of a point than an affirmation

2018-05-31 16:15:59 UTC  

like "this is why I believe"

2018-05-31 16:16:07 UTC  

not "this is the truth"

2018-05-31 16:16:35 UTC  

Which difffers from Aristotle, whom sought "truth", not "belief"

2018-05-31 16:16:35 UTC  

that's what i got from reading the summas

2018-05-31 16:17:24 UTC  

because god is surpassing our reason, then the only way to demonstrate if he is or isn't real is based on argumentation and reason

2018-05-31 16:17:38 UTC  

the truth of god is completely out of reach

2018-05-31 16:17:55 UTC  

so how do we prove or disprove his existence

2018-05-31 16:18:01 UTC  

that's why thomas wrote the summas

2018-05-31 16:19:18 UTC  

i'm not disagreeing with you, just nuancing it

2018-05-31 16:19:54 UTC  

He wouldn't have lived to the age he did if he asked, "How do we know God exists?", he pushed the ideology of "Can't disprove it, so why not God exist?" to push the beliefs of the Catholic church

2018-05-31 16:20:32 UTC  

yeah, that's the whole point of Scolastics I agree

2018-05-31 16:20:45 UTC  

but still uses the aristotelician method

2018-05-31 16:21:08 UTC  

He applies what benefitted the church to it but rejected everything else that didn't.

2018-05-31 16:21:24 UTC  

true

2018-05-31 16:22:15 UTC  

methodology can be used in different ways, some more dogmatic and some more based on reason

2018-05-31 16:22:26 UTC  

even if reason is built on dogmas and superstructures

2018-05-31 16:22:31 UTC  

so... yeah.

2018-05-31 17:29:59 UTC  

Listen

2018-05-31 17:30:05 UTC  

Efficient cause is based

@PebbЛe your name is actually a great one

2018-05-31 17:43:35 UTC  

Thank you

2018-05-31 17:43:44 UTC  

It is exceptionally rothbardian @🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼

2018-05-31 17:44:22 UTC  

great name

hey libertarian gang

can i sell a child off to the free market?

if they **consent** to it?

2018-05-31 17:47:31 UTC  

@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 Murray Rothbard says that's totally cool.

2018-05-31 17:48:00 UTC  

Just make sure they sign the voluntary slave contract first.

hold on

what if i want to sell an under-aged kid into prostiution

cause age of consent is just government regulation bs

is the free market

ok with that???