Message from @🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼
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To be honest I find this server to have much more intellectually stimulating discussions than I’a seen elsewhere. When it’s not shit flinging of course
Pretty nice to see fascists debate like civilised persons I must say
my main issue is that idealism is being thrown around in a lazy fashion, idealism in a philosophical sense is quite nuanced tbh.
Most of them
Im going to talk about Aristotle's conception of idealism
Idealism in the Aristotelian sense is that every in the world is imperfect
and that we can imagine a more perfect version of everything in this imperfect world
I find it ironic that our sides fight so heavily when we want the same thing in different flavors, or at least some of us do
marxism is not like that we don't 'imagine' a more perfect world we want to look at how the material world is an make a prediction based on our observations of what will occur next
marxists who are 'imagining' are not actually marxists but Utopian socialists
And in a certain sense so does fascism but we take in account the family and old culture
And the end results are different for both
That seems to be the most big divides i’ve seen
the issue here is that family and culture are not thngs we consider as part of the 'economic base' as in the material things that shape everything but as things that are shaped by our economic base.
I’m going to be honest I’ve learned quite a bit from talking with you folks
as in
family may be family always
I see, you’re more focused on the straight shot economic values
but how family is conceived as an idea depends on how economics are at the time
i.e
under say primitive communism/tribalism
they lived in less nuclear famlies
and more 'communal living'
I see
this was because communal living was better for the tribal setting
while nuclear family is better for the capitalist setting
this is ultimately what i mean when i say 'the base shapes the superstructure'
I believe it works well under a fascist system as well
And that’s why we value it
It’s also formed from the recent state of the family and how we see it falling apart under this current system which is leading to complications
Which I think helps the drive to protect the nuclear family idea
@GermanEastAfrica so what i want to say is that marxists are not against marriage or family as things people do
but the specific forms of marriage and family inherent to capitalism
@LoJ Wait for the Congress to convene
Like the fact you need a license for marriage
well more like marriage is a way for often men to control women
i.e in feudalistic times
marriage was all about
how can i obtain more land?
yes marry my daugthers off to the rich son of that landowner
Due to the fact that was the only way to have rights