Message from @🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼

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2018-06-02 22:23:50 UTC  

A: Go to the next highest rank.
or
B: A company council would vote on the next CEO.

You arent proletariat if you extract surplus value

2018-06-02 22:24:15 UTC  

It's not as if an heirless CEO ends his business upon death, because a company is not reliant upon hereditary succession.

2018-06-02 22:24:16 UTC  

^

2018-06-02 22:24:19 UTC  

This is not feudalism.

Again does the CEO do all the work?

2018-06-02 22:24:32 UTC  

Again, how does one become CEO?

It doesnt matter

2018-06-02 22:24:51 UTC  

It sure does, you don't become a CEO for doing nothing.

If they do not do all the work

2018-06-02 22:25:05 UTC  

The CEO provides and without providing there would be no work.

They arent entitled to all the labour

2018-06-02 22:25:13 UTC  

The CEO works to provide

2018-06-02 22:25:16 UTC  

So if the CEO doesn't do 100% of all the work of the workers, it's capitalism doomed to fail?

But the poor have no option but to sell their labour

2018-06-02 22:25:29 UTC  

Interesting, considering a business ran by workers does not have 100% of the work done by 1 person.

2018-06-02 22:25:37 UTC  

By that logic, even communism is doomed to fail.

2018-06-02 22:25:39 UTC  

>surplus value

2018-06-02 22:25:43 UTC  

Which leads me to believe this logic is invalid.

2018-06-02 22:26:06 UTC  

The average CEO makes roughly 200 times the wage of an average employee, by adding 0 times the value. When you have a board of directors making decisions regarding executive pay, funded largely through options and amounting to a CEO-to-Worker pay ratio of something in the range of 347-to-1, you know there's a problem.

Just because some people become rich under capitalism does not mean they do not extract surplus value

Also hang on a second

2018-06-02 22:26:39 UTC  

How does one get rich?

2018-06-02 22:26:59 UTC  

The inheritance argument doesn't work either, as we previously established 7/10 families lose their inheritance money by the second generation.

2018-06-02 22:28:12 UTC  

Then we should get rid of government, as the government does nothing good for us, and it has been *undoubtably* proven that in government, no one can rise up and become president. Oh, but whats that? Once we get rid of government everything goes wrong? Who wouldve thought???

2018-06-02 22:28:41 UTC  

Karde is inconsistent in his argument about how one becomes a CEO.

2018-06-02 22:29:07 UTC  

He first answers that a future CEO climbed the corporate ladder, while he later says it's impossible to move up the ladder in capitalism.

2018-06-02 22:29:34 UTC  

Inconsistancy ruins your debate

2018-06-02 22:29:47 UTC  

^

2018-06-02 22:30:09 UTC  

^

2018-06-02 22:30:12 UTC  

^

But moving from say petite bourgeoise to say bourgeoisie is not the same as proleteriat to bourgeoisie

2018-06-02 22:30:23 UTC  

How does one become a CEO?

2018-06-02 22:30:39 UTC  

But what comes before petite bourgeoisie?

2018-06-02 22:30:45 UTC  

Your argument is inconsistent, I don't believe I have a straight answer yet.

2018-06-02 22:30:50 UTC  

>believeing capitalism has high social mobility

2018-06-02 22:30:51 UTC  

Doubt

2018-06-02 22:30:58 UTC  

Define social mobility.

2018-06-02 22:31:17 UTC  

Um

2018-06-02 22:31:24 UTC  

You don't know what that means?

Social mobility has been destroyed in capitalism by neoliberalism the rich are literally making it impossible for some to climb this ladder.