But we need to not concede on the economy, because a left leaning economy means slower growth, and slower growth means they're going to increase immigration.

"To spur more growth" as they say

I think the sort of obsession with stimulating the economy is a bit of a golden calf when it comes to these types

Golden calf?

Oh like

Moses lol]

little later but you get my point

I'm not obsessed with stimulating the economy, I'm more obsessed with just removing the incentive for immigration into the US.

Hi not obsessed with stimulating the economy, I'm more obsessed with just removing the incentive for immigration into the US., I'm Dad!

We definitely need to take the right steps to get to point B, but sort of also make it clear that these sort of abstract figures aren't as important as the concrete, how it effects people on a daily basis.

Well either way

I agree with you demographics first

And there is *correlation*, but it's not always exactly imperative.

because that is the most in need of saving.

correlation with what

quality of life, that kind of thing

tow hat

to what*

GDP growth, I guess

Well

These sort of figures the neoliberals obsess that we need to make higher or we're all doomed

it is true in history that people felt happier when the economy did better.

It's more to do with what causes it in my opinion

And I think it's dumb to sacrifice that for stupid regulations or something

Like pat buchannon said

Putting the lives of endangered fish before the lives of the endangered America family.

Yeah, that's a bit part of it, we definitely should seek economic prosperity, but sort of within our limits.

I think what I see you're getting at is:

We have to think about how to transition the american population from the service sector to small business, because we will face an unemployment crisis when the service sector becomes automatic.

That's fair, and we can do that through a freer market

it is well known regulations help big business the most.

if we deregulate, smaller businesses will become more competative

I think where we draw the line though

is global capitalism

because the end goal is the cheapest labor, which means outsourcing

So that's why i always say, free markets with reasonable protectionist trade policies

A part of it is making the capital needed to build a small business available in the first place, on average it costs $30,000 to start a small business.

Futhermore something like 60% of new businesses fail

because of high wages, and overrregualation.

At least here in CA for sure.

What would you say about degeneracy markets like prostitution and drugs?