Message from @FLanon

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2018-08-28 18:07:13 UTC  

"no way Trump is losing if his opponent is fucking dead"

you're referring to the hypothetical George Wallace matchup?

2018-08-28 18:12:39 UTC  

anyway, when it comes to a hypothetical Donald Trump vs George Wallace matchup, one would need to specify a few things

Is it in 2016 where Trump is the Republican and Wallace is the (dead) Democrat? Presumably not.


Is it in 1968 when Trump was only 22? Presumably not.

Is it in 2016 where Trump is the Republican and someone with the same personality traits and political background that George Wallace had, somehow becomes the Democratic nominee? That would be really implausible. After all, a third party candidate would probably do better than Wallace in that scenario.

However, let's just say that there are only two choices on the ballot. Trump and Wallace. If staying home is an option, then most of the 62 million Trump voters would show up to vote for Trump and only a small minority would prefer Wallace, making Trump win all 50 states + DC. The vast majority of Hillary voters, Johnson voters, and Stein voters would stay home.

If staying home is not an option, there might presumably be some really low info voters who go "hurr fuck Trump let me vote for whoever has the D next to their name" but I don't think that would flip any state...even Alabama or Mississippi.

2018-08-28 18:12:48 UTC  

now, if this hypothetical is in 1968, that would be another story

2018-08-28 18:13:06 UTC  

btw @Earl of Morrrrgantown you seem to have this perception that California and New York are more liberal than Vermont and Massachusetts

2018-08-28 18:13:48 UTC  

I'd say that isn't the case because there are large swaths of red enclaves in California and New York, and they're mostly blue because of high minority populations, many of whom have socially conservative beliefs but vote Democratic due to social programs

2018-08-28 18:14:14 UTC  

whereas Vermont and Massachusetts are blue because they have an abundance of white liberals

2018-08-28 18:14:35 UTC  

IIRC Vermont and Massachusetts are the only states that would still be blue if only white males could vote

2018-08-28 18:14:46 UTC  

Vermont is the only state that would be blue if only gun owners could vote

2018-08-28 18:16:16 UTC  

Thoughts?

2018-08-28 18:20:37 UTC  

Was that written postmortem or did McCain know that he was gonna do and wrote it like a will?

2018-08-28 18:25:28 UTC  

"We have helped liberate more people from tyranny and poverty than ever before in history"
"We are a nation of ideals, not blood and soil"
Burn in hell

2018-08-28 18:29:00 UTC  

^

2018-08-28 18:29:02 UTC  

Ideals, Blood, and Soil

2018-08-28 18:59:48 UTC  

Absolute pussy

2018-08-28 18:59:49 UTC  

this is why I've been insisting that just because Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a socialist/Berniecrat, that doesn't mean she's more likely to lose. If anything, she'll be an even stronger opponent than Crowley

2018-08-28 18:59:54 UTC  

It's all about mindset, really

2018-08-28 19:00:04 UTC  

Yeah, if I were him, I'd still put up a fight

2018-08-28 19:00:08 UTC  

Even if I was in the bluest of blue districts, I'd campaign my heart off

2018-08-28 19:00:25 UTC  

try to exploit the fact that Crowley is still on the ballot due to being nominated by the Working Families Party

2018-08-28 19:00:30 UTC  

however, I don't think he got in this to win

2018-08-28 19:00:59 UTC  

Things like Scott Brown, Doug Jones, Conor Lamb will happen in unlikely places if people aren't looking

2018-08-28 19:01:17 UTC  

it probably went like this

>spend decades as a Queens resident who is also Republican
>Queens County Republican Party wants to pick someone to run
>hmm,this guy is 72, has been with us for decades, and is an economics professor. Let's go with him

2018-08-28 19:03:04 UTC  

Scott Brown won because he got in it to win. He ran an energetic primary campaign.

I'm not sure if Doug Jones got in it to win, but he definitely realized he could after Moore's scandals broke out and GOP infighting occured

Lamb was picked as someone who could win given the right strategy

2018-08-28 19:03:36 UTC  

keep this in mind - a large portion of the district are blacks and hispanics. The other large portion are white hipster/yuppie liberals.

2018-08-28 19:06:16 UTC  

ask me this - how would you appeal to those demographics as a Republican? Lamb at least had the benefit of running in an ancestrally Democratic district. There is no viable way to run in New York City as a Republican unless you're an uber liberal who just advocates for lower taxes, and even then - the hispanics/blacks would still vote for Ocasio-Cortez

2018-08-28 19:07:02 UTC  

New York was democratic even when it was majority white

2018-08-28 19:07:49 UTC  

The party has changed for certain but the New York Dem's were certainly not Dixiecrats

2018-08-28 19:09:50 UTC  

there are Republicans who have won in NYC

Michael Bloomberg won because he was literally a billionaire Democrat who ran as a Republican because he couldn't win the Democratic primary. He isn't even a conservative democrat. He's just not far-left

Rudy Giuliani won because Dinkins was a corrupt mayor and the crime rate was super high

2018-08-28 19:09:56 UTC  

Anything is better than sitting back doing jack shit waving the white flag

2018-08-28 19:10:57 UTC  

@Deleted User I think Trump could have won in the 80s

2018-08-28 19:11:09 UTC  

yeah, exactly @FLanon

2018-08-28 19:11:57 UTC  

anyway, Ocasio-Cortez is no Roy Moore. She's a good fit for the district.

2018-08-28 19:12:12 UTC  

tbh, Doug Jones is toast in 2020

2018-08-28 19:12:16 UTC  

she is no Rick Saccone because she's not a fat lazy piece of shit

2018-08-28 19:12:18 UTC  

well of course

2018-08-28 19:12:35 UTC  

If we run Mo Brooks, we win back alabama

2018-08-28 19:12:43 UTC  

I mean she rarely spends time in her district so there could be a parallel

2018-08-28 19:12:48 UTC  

But I think Troy Balderson will win again